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Reply #150 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 9:04am
 
The worst thing you can do with major infrastructure projects is to change direction half way through.

Whatever you hope to achieve in savings will be swallowed up by costs of renegotiation, and expenses born by private industry which had invested on the original planned model.

This is one policy, the liberals should leave well enough along, and see through.     They only opposed it for oppositiion sake to start with.   
Please let common sense overcome stubborn ideology.

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Reply #151 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 10:40am
 
John S wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 7:30am:
The Liberal Party of Australia: Reconsider your plan for a ‘FTTN’ NBN in favour of a superior ‘FTTH’ NBN

Now has 96,000 signatures, needs more

http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/the-liberal-party-of-australia-reconsider-...



What a good link - & the problem is well explained.
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Reply #152 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 11:00am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 9:04am:
The worst thing you can do with major infrastructure projects is to change direction half way through.

Whatever you hope to achieve in savings will be swallowed up by costs of renegotiation, and expenses born by private industry which had invested on the original planned model.

This is one policy, the liberals should leave well enough along, and see through.     They only opposed it for oppositiion sake to start with.   
Please let common sense overcome stubborn ideology.



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.........in savings will be swallowed up by costs of renegotiation, and expenses born by private industry which had invested .....
, I believe the libs will take this into account.
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Reply #153 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 11:02am
 
Sprint,
Turnbull will supply fiber if you want but it will cost a fortune.
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #154 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 11:33am
 
The DESTRUCTION of the dream for
TRUE BROADBAND
for Australia - a corrupt negative of the
"breakfast deal"
made between Rupert Murdoch and Tony Abbott - is
the ONLY NEGATIVE
for ME
in this change of federal governance




Australia -
ALL of Australia
- NEEDS a NATIONAL Broadband Network

Not just something similar to South Yarra, Vaucluse and New Farm




In a peculiar whim of SANITY - ( ... and  without a "whisper" from RUPERT)  BOB KATTER preferenced the ALP, in EVERY electorate,  based on a SOLID PRO-ARGUMENT for our NBN




It's NO COINCIDENCE, that such a
"hat wearing" CAPITALIST"
- and a
"badge wearing SOCIALIST"
  joined forces over
EQUALITY for RURAL AUSTRALIA
   







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Reply #155 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 12:01pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 11:00am:
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dr - Quote:
.........in savings will be swallowed up by costs of renegotiation, and expenses born by private industry which had invested .....
, I believe the libs will take this into account.

Only if Rupert OKs it.
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Reply #156 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 1:15pm
 

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The biggest certainty facing the country's national broadband network is that it will undergo a complete metamorphosis in the next 12 months with a new board, a new management team, a new culture and strategy, new cost structures and a new set of relationships in the telecommunications sector.

Three separate reviews and a forensic audit of NBN Co will be undertaken immediately, which will effectively give the incoming Abbott government a get-out-of-jail-free card to oust the existing board and take the national broadband network in any direction it wants - and it will.

Critics have described the NBN in its current form as ''overstaffed'', a ''bottomless pit of taxpayer funding'' and a ''quagmire wrapped in a minefield''.
Besides providing political fodder to humiliate the Rudd government, the reviews will look at the NBN's ownership structure and its regulatory protections. This could result in the private sector being invited to take equity to help fund the rollout. It could also precipitate a review of the role of the competition watchdog the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission in administering the current open access regime.

NBN Co has suffered more than its fair share of scandals in the past few years, including massive cost blowouts, timetable delays, board disharmony, asbestos scares and some unhappy contractors who are losing money and want out.

Advertisement Critics have described the NBN in its current form as ''overstaffed'', a ''bottomless pit of taxpayer funding'' and a ''quagmire wrapped in a minefield''. But its own figures are the most damning. In 2010 the target was for almost 1 million homes and premises to be hooked up. By June 2013 fewer than 175,000 homes and businesses were connected. In simple terms after almost five years and $5 billion later the NBN is only 2 per cent built.
The first change a Coalition government is likely to do is appoint Ziggy Switkowski to take charge of the audit and reviews and negotiations with key vendors. His appointment will be followed by others with a depth of experience in the telecommunications and/or construction sectors. Kerry Schott is likely to be one of the few board members to keep her job.

But the biggest change will be the relationships with retail service providers, ISPs and others as the new government switches from a fibre-to-the-home national broadband network to a cheaper fibre-to-the-node and fibre-to-the-basement network.

This will require a new and published business plan coupled with analysis, which will be used to renegotiate the Telstra/NBN deal to arrange copper access and compensation in the fibre-to-the-node footprint as well as redesigning the rollout. It will also mean holding discussions with Optus and other industry players as well as contractors.

It will make for interesting times for Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei, which was blackballed from tendering for the NBN due to ''national security issues''. That was the only explanation given at the time by the then Gillard government. Instead, it appointed Alcatel-Lucent as the main broadband technology provider.

Huawei is currently doing the equivalent work on the British version of the NBN, which is a combination of fibre to the home and fibre to the node using a new technology called vectoring, which increases the bandwidth of traditional copper lines. As one former senior telco executive said: ''There is plenty of run left in copper.'' Alcatel-Lucent is also an expert in vectoring, a technology that communications minister-elect Malcolm Turnbull has made clear will be used in its cheaper version of the NBN.

Turnbull has said he will revisit the banning of Huawei if elected to government, which means if Huawei gets the all-clear in terms of national security issues, it could end up with a role in the NBN.

The change from fibre to the home to fibre to the node will have profound implications for Telstra, contractors and other telco players including Optus. But at the end of the day the aim is to have a network that costs less, is finished sooner and is more efficient. The aim is to create a hybrid fibre, copper, wireless and satellite network with components brought together that offers affordable prices and has a configuration similar to that being adopted in other countries.With so much change, the new government will need to be mindful that the right industry structure emerges. It was a need to change the structure that inspired the creation of the NBN in the first place. This is an area Switkowski will be well versed in given his background as a former chief executive of Telstra.

Turnbull and Switkowski will have their work cut out for them unpicking some of the contracts put in place by their predecessors and making sure the right industry structure, regulation and entity is created. But given the current state of play, it seems they are starting from a low base.



http://www.smh.com.au/business/coalition-to-take-axe-to-nbn-co-20130910-2ti9y.ht...
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Reply #157 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 1:50pm
 
Sprint,
how much will Turnbull charge you to get a fiber optic link?
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Reply #158 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 2:08pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 10:40am:
John S wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 7:30am:
The Liberal Party of Australia: Reconsider your plan for a ‘FTTN’ NBN in favour of a superior ‘FTTH’ NBN

Now has 96,000 signatures, needs more

http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/the-liberal-party-of-australia-reconsider-...



What a good link - & the problem is well explained.



Abbott has guaranteed that he will keep all election promises at whatever cost. Its his "trust" agenda.
This means, even if FTTN cost twice as much as FTTH, FTTN is what we'll get.  Even if buying indonesian fishing boats sends us broke, he will keep buying.

He's an ideologist gone mad.  Be more like Barry Ofarrell, and break promises at will.

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Reply #159 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 2:58pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 10:40am:
John S wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 7:30am:
The Liberal Party of Australia: Reconsider your plan for a ‘FTTN’ NBN in favour of a superior ‘FTTH’ NBN

Now has 96,000 signatures, needs more

http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/the-liberal-party-of-australia-reconsider-...



What a good link - & the problem is well explained.


maybe all the signatories will agree to have their taxes increased significantly to pay for it. I bet that gets them off it.
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Reply #160 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 2:59pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 1:50pm:
Sprint,
how much will Turnbull charge you to get a fiber optic link?


if you actually need one you will find the cost quite affordable.  if you don't NEED it and just WANT it you will find it obscenely high.
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Reply #161 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 3:02pm
 
9000 people petition against the carbon tax. Tony the wank moron says he'll do it.
145,000 people petition for the FTTH .Tony the wank moron says he won't do it.

He's an idiot. Plain and simple.
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Reply #162 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 3:10pm
 
True Blue... wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 9:05pm:
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Like most Labor stooges they don't know how the private market works...
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Some of us have been around long enough to observe how that works.

My favourite example was in Sydney, when Telstra and Optus were competing in hybrid fibre-coax. Both tried to cherry-pick the most lucrative markets. Some suburbs ended up with two sets of cables, strung 30 centimetres apart between power poles. Most of the nation was never cabled.

Market infallibility is canon to the faithful. For them, the term "market failure" is blasphemy. Unfortunately, markets fail quite frequently. In infrastructure, the failure commonly takes the form of over-serving the most lucrative markets, while under-serving - or not serving - others. Australia cannot afford the waste, inefficiency and ineffectiveness inherent in the inadequacies of what you call "the private market", in the provision of vital infrastructure. When markets fail, we need government to step in.

Government is the most effective provider of natural monopoly infrastructure like roads, sewerage, water reticulation, electricity reticulation and telecommunications. Anything for which there is a connection to the premises and more than one connection would be a waste (so competition in the physical infrastructure is not realistic).
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Reply #163 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 3:11pm
 
True Blue... wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 9:22pm:
... fibre optics was already being run out at no cost to the tax payer..
You believe in free lunches? Perhaps their customers don't pay taxes?

It will probably come as a shock to you, but there's always a cost. When the private sector dominates, those who can pay do, while those who can't do without. Publicly owned infrastructure ensures more equitable access.

True Blue... wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 9:22pm:
there's been new fibre optics supplied between Melbourne and Warrnambool already ...
Pretending to confuse major trunks with distributors and customer tails? Are you desperate or just bog ignorant?

Fibre is progressively replacing copper for reasons similar to those that led to copper replacing iron wire: lower maintenance costs and higher reliability. Fibre has the added advantage that it's cheaper than copper, whereas copper is more expensive than iron.

The issue is with the so-called "last mile", the bit between the exchange and the premises. What happens between Melbourne and Warrnambool is not relevant to the NBN. As you point out, up to the exchanges, fibre is already the norm.

True Blue... wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 9:22pm:
... at a fraction of the cost Labor was doing it for and it's faster than the NBN..
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You can't substantiate either assertion, can you?
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Reply #164 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 3:17pm
 
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Ok.....goodbye to the NBN  Tongue
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