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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #165 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 3:37pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 2:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 10:40am:

John S wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:30am:

The Liberal Party of Australia: Reconsider your plan for a ‘FTTN’ NBN in favour of a superior ‘FTTH’ NBN

Now has 96,000 signatures, needs more

http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/the-liberal-party-of-australia-reconsider-...

What a good link - & the problem is well explained.

maybe all the signatories will agree to have their taxes increased significantly to pay for it. I bet that gets them off it.

You can't substantiate your assertion that fibre to the premises will be "significantly" more expensive, can you? Given that bandwidth demand is forecast to exceed 1Gb/s by 2020. The nodes will need to be scrapped before most of them are even installed. Will short-term parsimony prove wasteful in the longer term? If so, are you just putting off your "significant" tax increase? Of course, the fertiliser won't impact the ventilator until after the next election, which is probably the plan.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 2:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 1:50pm:

Sprint,
how much will Turnbull charge you to get a fiber optic link?

if you actually need one you will find the cost quite affordable. if you don't NEED it and just WANT it you will find it obscenely high.

Turnbull says $5,000, but that's based on an idealised assessment. Come to think of it, the whole plan is based on an idealised assessment of the condition of Telstra's customer access network (the wires into premises).

From a national perspective, even the unrealistically idealised $5,000 is an unjustified extra expense. Multiplied by the millions of premises in Australia, the Coalition's plan is unaffordable.

Abandoning fibre to the premises is nothing short of treason.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106557 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #166 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 3:38pm longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 2:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 1:50pm: Sprint, how much will Turnbull charge you to get a fiber optic link? if you actually need one you will find the cost quite affordable. if you don't NEED it and just WANT it you will find it obscenely high. How much?
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #167 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:15pm

# wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 3:37pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 2:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 10:40am:

John S wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:30am:

The Liberal Party of Australia: Reconsider your plan for a ‘FTTN’ NBN in favour of a superior ‘FTTH’ NBN

Now has 96,000 signatures, needs more

http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/the-liberal-party-of-australia-reconsider-...

What a good link - & the problem is well explained.

maybe all the signatories will agree to have their taxes increased significantly to pay for it. I bet that gets them off it.

You can't substantiate your assertion that fibre to the premises will be "significantly" more expensive, can you? Given that bandwidth demand is forecast to exceed 1Gb/s by 2020. The nodes will need to be scrapped before most of them are even installed. Will short-term parsimony prove wasteful in the longer term? If so, are you just putting off your "significant" tax increase? Of course, the fertiliser won't impact the ventilator until after the next election, which is probably the plan.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 2:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 1:50pm:

Sprint,
how much will Turnbull charge you to get a fiber optic link?

if you actually need one you will find the cost quite affordable. if you don't NEED it and just WANT it you will find it obscenely high.

Turnbull says $5,000, but that's based on an idealised assessment. Come to think of it, the whole plan is based on an idealised assessment of the condition of Telstra's customer access network (the wires into premises).

From a national perspective, even the unrealistically idealised $5,000 is an unjustified extra expense. Multiplied by the millions of premises in Australia, the Coalition's plan is unaffordable.

Abandoning fibre to the premises is nothing short of treason.

what a load of rubbish. bandwidth demand to increase by two orders of magnitude in just 7 years?? and we don't even use the current bandwith anyhow?

Couldn't be a desperate ploy by a CEO could it? And lets assume that rate continues... where is the NBNs 100Gbps plane for 2027 and the 10Tbps plan for 2034?

it is idiotic to swallow that nonsense. someone thinks Moores law is never-ending. Try telling that to Intel.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #168 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:16pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 3:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 2:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 1:50pm:

Sprint,
how much will Turnbull charge you to get a fiber optic link?

if you actually need one you will find the cost quite affordable. if you don't NEED it and just WANT it you will find it obscenely high.

How much?

more than you would ever justify to download your porn and torrents. but if you were a high data need database developer then it would be very cheap.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #170 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:59pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 3:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 2:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 1:50pm:

Sprint,
how much will Turnbull charge you to get a fiber optic link?

if you actually need one you will find the cost quite affordable. if you don't NEED it and just WANT it you will find it obscenely high.

How much?

more than you would ever justify to download your porn and torrents. but if you were a high data need database developer then it would be very cheap.

I've never watched porn & I've never used torrents.

Would you stop making up stories about other posters.

How much?

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #171 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 8:06pm

# wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:15pm:

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what a load of rubbish. ...

You pretend to know better than a bloke running a major network project. God complex niggling you again?

So what's your answer to the question which has repeatedly sent you scurrying away?

What will halt the rise in demand for bandwidth?

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #172 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 8:17pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 3:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 2:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 1:50pm:

Sprint,
how much will Turnbull charge you to get a fiber optic link?

if you actually need one you will find the cost quite affordable. if you don't NEED it and just WANT it you will find it obscenely high.

How much?

more than you would ever justify to download your porn and torrents. but if you were a high data need database developer then it would be very cheap.

I've never watched porn & I've never used torrents.

Would you stop making up stories about other posters.

How much?

You have never watched porn and yet your favourite TV series is Kung Fu

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #173 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 8:27pm

# wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:15pm:

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what a load of rubbish. ...

You pretend to know better than a bloke running a major network project. God complex niggling you again?

So what's your answer to the question which has repeatedly sent you scurrying away?

What will halt the rise in demand for bandwidth?

his experience notwithstanding, attack my argument. if the need for bandwidth goes up 100 times in 7 years then in 30 years you will be wanting/needing more bandwidth than is available on the planet.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #174 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 8:28pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 3:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 2:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 1:50pm:

Sprint,
how much will Turnbull charge you to get a fiber optic link?

if you actually need one you will find the cost quite affordable. if you don't NEED it and just WANT it you will find it obscenely high.

How much?

more than you would ever justify to download your porn and torrents. but if you were a high data need database developer then it would be very cheap.

I've never watched porn & I've never used torrents.

Would you stop making up stories about other posters.

How much?

which might be why you have a slow ADSL connection and didn't even notice it. so of what value is a 40 times faster connection for you if you don't even use what you have now - or even realise it is slow.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #175 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:17pm

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....................However, a spokesman for Malcolm Turnbull, who is expected to be appointed Communications Minister next week, said a cost-benefit analysis would show which network structure was most appropriate.

‘‘We will conduct a thorough cost-benefit analysis of this project so that the general public will finally be able to assess what this project is really going to cost in terms of time and dollars, and the relative trade-offs of differing approaches to delivering better broadband,’’ the spokesman said.

“It comes as little surprise that people around Australia are waiting for better broadband – after six years of Labor Government there are still two million households whose Internet is so poor they can’t even access a YouTube video.’’
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http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/pronbn-petition-most-popular-but-l...

hey, they are looking at it like a business would!!!!!!

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #176 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:48pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:17pm:

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....................However, a spokesman for Malcolm Turnbull, who is expected to be appointed Communications Minister next week, said a cost-benefit analysis would show which network structure was most appropriate.

‘‘We will conduct a thorough cost-benefit analysis of this project so that the general public will finally be able to assess what this project is really going to cost in terms of time and dollars, and the relative trade-offs of differing approaches to delivering better broadband,’’ the spokesman said.

“It comes as little surprise that people around Australia are waiting for better broadband – after six years of Labor Government there are still two million households whose Internet is so poor they can’t even access a YouTube video.’’
.....

http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/pronbn-petition-most-popular-but-l...

hey, they are looking at it like a business would!!!!!!

Ahh... cost/benefit analysis. Get the assumptions right and you can be assured of whatever outcome you want.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #177 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 8:15am

he's going to do a cost benefit analysis whilst it is being rolled out? Where is the cost benefit analysis going to start, noting that it is being rolled out progressively around the country? These are just w*nk words designed to fool a gullible public. Just finish it Malcolm - or stop it now and implement your cost benefit analysis from today's point in the project.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #178 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 8:47am

Vic wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 8:15am:

he's going to do a cost benefit analysis whilst it is being rolled out? Where is the cost benefit analysis going to start, noting that it is being rolled out progressively around the country? These are just w*nk words designed to fool a gullible public. Just finish it Malcolm - or stop it now and implement your cost benefit analysis from today's point in the project.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #179 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:08am

# wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:15pm:

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what a load of rubbish. ...

You pretend to know better than a bloke running a major network project. God complex niggling you again?

So what's your answer to the question which has repeatedly sent you scurrying away?

What will halt the rise in demand for bandwidth?

wrong question. the one you should be asking is

WHAT WILL DRIVE THE INCREASE IN DEMAND FOR BANDWIDTH...

to date, that has been the question you and all your cohorts have been unable to answer.

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