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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #180 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:11am

# wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:17pm:

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....................However, a spokesman for Malcolm Turnbull, who is expected to be appointed Communications Minister next week, said a cost-benefit analysis would show which network structure was most appropriate.

‘‘We will conduct a thorough cost-benefit analysis of this project so that the general public will finally be able to assess what this project is really going to cost in terms of time and dollars, and the relative trade-offs of differing approaches to delivering better broadband,’’ the spokesman said.

“It comes as little surprise that people around Australia are waiting for better broadband – after six years of Labor Government there are still two million households whose Internet is so poor they can’t even access a YouTube video.’’
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http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/pronbn-petition-most-popular-but-l...

hey, they are looking at it like a business would!!!!!!

Ahh... cost/benefit analysis. Get the assumptions right and you can be assured of whatever outcome you want.

and refusing to even consider a CBA in the first place is better????

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #181 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:29am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

# wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:15pm:

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what a load of rubbish. ...

You pretend to know better than a bloke running a major network project. God complex niggling you again?

So what's your answer to the question which has repeatedly sent you scurrying away?

What will halt the rise in demand for bandwidth?

wrong question. the one you should be asking is

WHAT WILL DRIVE THE INCREASE IN DEMAND FOR BANDWIDTH...

to date, that has been the question you and all your cohorts have been unable to answer.

What's to answer? You might contemplate that the observed increase in demand is substantially non-residential. The Coalition's patchwork lash-up will cripple Australian business.

Denying reality is the ultimate embarrassment, longweekend58.

You're saying that something will reverse the trend. Every time you're put to the test, you run away. Put up or take the challenge.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #182 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:33am

# wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:17pm:

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....................However, a spokesman for Malcolm Turnbull, who is expected to be appointed Communications Minister next week, said a cost-benefit analysis would show which network structure was most appropriate.

‘‘We will conduct a thorough cost-benefit analysis of this project so that the general public will finally be able to assess what this project is really going to cost in terms of time and dollars, and the relative trade-offs of differing approaches to delivering better broadband,’’ the spokesman said.

“It comes as little surprise that people around Australia are waiting for better broadband – after six years of Labor Government there are still two million households whose Internet is so poor they can’t even access a YouTube video.’’
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http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/pronbn-petition-most-popular-but-l...

hey, they are looking at it like a business would!!!!!!

Ahh... cost/benefit analysis. Get the assumptions right and you can be assured of whatever outcome you want.

you are inferring a worst case scenario.
I am disinterested in hints or sarcasm. If you have something to say, say it.

A cost/benefit analysis is a standard practise in business.
It is appalling the alp had not done one before commencing the nbn.
Bordering on amateurish and corrupt. they had no regard for our money.
the libs already show they do.

Speak clearly to me please.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 106557 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #183 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:47am Well I suppose one day we'll find out how much fiber will cost to be connected to the home & the monthly usage payment. I bet it will be beyond the budget of all but the rich? It's lucky for some people that they already have it.
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #184 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:52am

# wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:29am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

# wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:15pm:

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what a load of rubbish. ...

You pretend to know better than a bloke running a major network project. God complex niggling you again?

So what's your answer to the question which has repeatedly sent you scurrying away?

What will halt the rise in demand for bandwidth?

hmmm a graph that ends at 2004 during the early adoption phase of broadband where significant increases in bandwidth were nothing more than more people joining the network.

would you care to provide some actually up-t-date data and a graph to match?

and even in your own post you recognise that residential users are the smallest users and the slowest growing BUT form 90% of the cost of the NBN

your post was an epic fail!

wrong question. the one you should be asking is

WHAT WILL DRIVE THE INCREASE IN DEMAND FOR BANDWIDTH...

to date, that has been the question you and all your cohorts have been unable to answer.

What's to answer? You might contemplate that the observed increase in demand is substantially non-residential. The Coalition's patchwork lash-up will cripple Australian business.
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Denying reality is the ultimate embarrassment, longweekend58.

You're saying that something will reverse the trend. Every time you're put to the test, you run away. Put up or take the challenge.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #185 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:54am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

Well I suppose one day we'll find out how much fiber will
cost to be connected to the home
& the monthly usage payment.

I bet it will be beyond the budget of all but the rich?

It's lucky for some people that they already have it.

you will get FREE 50-100Mbps FTTN internet. it is 40 times what you already have (and didn't know was slow!) so stop your childish complaining.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #186 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:55am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

Well I suppose one day we'll find out how much fiber will
cost to be connected to the home
& the monthly usage payment.

I bet it will be beyond the budget of all but the rich?

It's lucky for some people that they already have it.

you will get FREE 50-100Mbps FTTN internet. it is 40 times what you already have (and didn't know was slow!) so stop your childish complaining.

Nothing is free Longy - are you on the cooking sherry?

It's a bit early in the morning isn't it?

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #187 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:56am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:55am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

Well I suppose one day we'll find out how much fiber will
cost to be connected to the home
& the monthly usage payment.

I bet it will be beyond the budget of all but the rich?

It's lucky for some people that they already have it.

you will get FREE 50-100Mbps FTTN internet. it is 40 times what you already have (and didn't know was slow!) so stop your childish complaining.

Nothing is free Longy - are you on the cooking sherry?

It's a bit early in the morning isn't it?

just like the original NBN, the FTTN will be provided completely free to you or did you miss the entire point of the NBN?

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #188 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:57am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:33am:

# wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:17pm:

Quote:

....................However, a spokesman for Malcolm Turnbull, who is expected to be appointed Communications Minister next week, said a cost-benefit analysis would show which network structure was most appropriate.

‘‘We will conduct a thorough cost-benefit analysis of this project so that the general public will finally be able to assess what this project is really going to cost in terms of time and dollars, and the relative trade-offs of differing approaches to delivering better broadband,’’ the spokesman said.

“It comes as little surprise that people around Australia are waiting for better broadband – after six years of Labor Government there are still two million households whose Internet is so poor they can’t even access a YouTube video.’’
.....

http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/pronbn-petition-most-popular-but-l...

hey, they are looking at it like a business would!!!!!!

Ahh... cost/benefit analysis. Get the assumptions right and you can be assured of whatever outcome you want.

you are inferring a worst case scenario.
I am disinterested in hints or sarcasm. If you have something to say, say it.

A cost/benefit analysis is a standard practise in business.
It is appalling the alp had not done one before commencing the nbn.
Bordering on amateurish and corrupt. they had no regard for our money.
the libs already show they do.

Speak clearly to me please.

In business, cost/benefit analysis is a tool for maximising return on investment. In politics, it's a tool for obtaining desired outcomes.

Cost/benefit analysis begins with assumptions. In business, those assumptions are chosen to ensure a viable outcome. In politics, they're chosen to ensure a predetermined outcome.

Politics is not business, though politics can corrupt business. The accountants used by the Coalition before the penultimate election were sanctioned for such corruption.

By all credible accounts, the Coalition's fibre to the node plan is designed to fail. The failure will then be sold cheaply to some business with Tory connections. In short, the Coalition plan is nothing short of treason.

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #189 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:00am longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:52am: # wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:29am: ... You're saying that something will reverse the trend. Every time you're put to the test, you run away. Put up or take the challenge. So no answer, longweekend58? Planning to take the challenge?
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #190 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:02am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:55am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

Well I suppose one day we'll find out how much fiber will
cost to be connected to the home
& the monthly usage payment.

I bet it will be beyond the budget of all but the rich?

It's lucky for some people that they already have it.

you will get FREE 50-100Mbps FTTN internet. it is 40 times what you already have (and didn't know was slow!) so stop your childish complaining.

Nothing is free Longy - are you on the cooking sherry?

It's a bit early in the morning isn't it?

just like the original NBN, the FTTN will be provided completely free to you or did you miss the entire point of the NBN?

Fiber to the node will not be free.
You'll have to pay for it every month to rent it.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #191 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:16am

# wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:00am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:52am:

# wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:29am:

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You're saying that something will reverse the trend. Every time you're put to the test, you run away. Put up or take the challenge.

So no answer, longweekend58? Planning to take the challenge?

IM asking you to provide a credible set of data and not something ending in 2004 when ADSL 2+ was in its infancy.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #192 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:16am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:55am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

Well I suppose one day we'll find out how much fiber will
cost to be connected to the home
& the monthly usage payment.

I bet it will be beyond the budget of all but the rich?

It's lucky for some people that they already have it.

you will get FREE 50-100Mbps FTTN internet. it is 40 times what you already have (and didn't know was slow!) so stop your childish complaining.

Nothing is free Longy - are you on the cooking sherry?

It's a bit early in the morning isn't it?

just like the original NBN, the FTTN will be provided completely free to you or did you miss the entire point of the NBN?

Fiber to the node will not be free.
You'll have to pay for it every month to rent it.

you man... shock horror... like the LABOR NBN???

you can be quite obtuse at times and merely stupid the rest of the time.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #193 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:18am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:55am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

Well I suppose one day we'll find out how much fiber will
cost to be connected to the home
& the monthly usage payment.

I bet it will be beyond the budget of all but the rich?

It's lucky for some people that they already have it.

you will get FREE 50-100Mbps FTTN internet. it is 40 times what you already have (and didn't know was slow!) so stop your childish complaining.

Nothing is free Longy - are you on the cooking sherry?

It's a bit early in the morning isn't it?

just like the original NBN, the FTTN will be provided completely free to you or did you miss the entire point of the NBN?

Fiber to the node will not be free.
You'll have to pay for it every month to rent it.

you man... shock horror... like the LABOR NBN???

you can be quite obtuse at times and merely stupid the rest of the time.

Longy,
apologise for saying that fiber to the node would be free.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #194 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:23am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:55am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

Well I suppose one day we'll find out how much fiber will
cost to be connected to the home
& the monthly usage payment.

I bet it will be beyond the budget of all but the rich?

It's lucky for some people that they already have it.

you will get FREE 50-100Mbps FTTN internet. it is 40 times what you already have (and didn't know was slow!) so stop your childish complaining.

Nothing is free Longy - are you on the cooking sherry?

It's a bit early in the morning isn't it?

just like the original NBN, the FTTN will be provided completely free to you or did you miss the entire point of the NBN?

Fiber to the node will not be free.
You'll have to pay for it every month to rent it.

you man... shock horror... like the LABOR NBN???

you can be quite obtuse at times and merely stupid the rest of the time.

Longy,
apologise for saying that fiber to the node would be free.

FTTN will be totally free just as FTTH was (and is) totally free. if you intend to put services on it like a phone and/or internet then yes, you will have to pay for it.

so I am right and you - as always - are wrong. again.

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