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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #195 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:28am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:55am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

Well I suppose one day we'll find out how much fiber will
cost to be connected to the home
& the monthly usage payment.

I bet it will be beyond the budget of all but the rich?

It's lucky for some people that they already have it.

you will get FREE 50-100Mbps FTTN internet. it is 40 times what you already have (and didn't know was slow!) so stop your childish complaining.

Nothing is free Longy - are you on the cooking sherry?

It's a bit early in the morning isn't it?

just like the original NBN, the FTTN will be provided completely free to you or did you miss the entire point of the NBN?

Fiber to the node will not be free.
You'll have to pay for it every month to rent it.

you man... shock horror... like the LABOR NBN???

you can be quite obtuse at times and merely stupid the rest of the time.

Longy,
apologise for saying that fiber to the node would be free.

FTTN will be totally free just as FTTH was (and is) totally free. if you intend to put services on it like a phone and/or internet then yes, you will have to pay for it.

so I am right and you - as always - are wrong. again.

That's a fine point - it's free to have a box put in the street but
you'll have to pay to be connected to it every month.

You are loose with language - hardly someone with a BSc.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75097 Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #197 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:31am Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:28am: You are lose with language - hardly someone with a BSc. In his case a BSc is a 'bachelor of Stupid Crap'
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 106557 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #198 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:36am John Smith wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:31am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:28am: You are loose with language - hardly someone with a BSc. In his case a BSc is a 'bachelor of Stupid Crap' Longy is always loose with language. He makes silly statements that sound like they come from a 15 year old school kid.
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #199 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 12:04pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

# wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 11:00am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:52am:

# wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:29am:

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You're saying that something will reverse the trend. Every time you're put to the test, you run away. Put up or take the challenge.

So no answer, longweekend58? Planning to take the challenge?

IM asking you to provide a credible set of data and not something ending in 2004 when ADSL 2+ was in its infancy.

No, longweekend58, I've already done my bit. You provide the data showing that the rise in demand has halted. Then explain what halted it.

As I've already substantiated, bandwidth demand is forecast to exceed 1Gb/s by 2020. You dislike that substantiation, but haven't been able to substantiate your dislike. Roll Eyes

Put up or take the challenge

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #200 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 12:07pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:11am:

# wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:17pm:

Quote:

....................However, a spokesman for Malcolm Turnbull, who is expected to be appointed Communications Minister next week, said a cost-benefit analysis would show which network structure was most appropriate.

‘‘We will conduct a thorough cost-benefit analysis of this project so that the general public will finally be able to assess what this project is really going to cost in terms of time and dollars, and the relative trade-offs of differing approaches to delivering better broadband,’’ the spokesman said.

“It comes as little surprise that people around Australia are waiting for better broadband – after six years of Labor Government there are still two million households whose Internet is so poor they can’t even access a YouTube video.’’
.....

http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/pronbn-petition-most-popular-but-l...

hey, they are looking at it like a business would!!!!!!

Ahh... cost/benefit analysis. Get the assumptions right and you can be assured of whatever outcome you want.

and refusing to even consider a CBA in the first place is better????

Who but the corrupt would benefit from a corrupt CBA?

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #201 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 1:12pm

# wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:11am:

# wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:17pm:

Quote:

....................However, a spokesman for Malcolm Turnbull, who is expected to be appointed Communications Minister next week, said a cost-benefit analysis would show which network structure was most appropriate.

‘‘We will conduct a thorough cost-benefit analysis of this project so that the general public will finally be able to assess what this project is really going to cost in terms of time and dollars, and the relative trade-offs of differing approaches to delivering better broadband,’’ the spokesman said.

“It comes as little surprise that people around Australia are waiting for better broadband – after six years of Labor Government there are still two million households whose Internet is so poor they can’t even access a YouTube video.’’
.....

http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/pronbn-petition-most-popular-but-l...

hey, they are looking at it like a business would!!!!!!

Ahh... cost/benefit analysis. Get the assumptions right and you can be assured of whatever outcome you want.

and refusing to even consider a CBA in the first place is better????

Who but the corrupt would benefit from a corrupt CBA?

tax payers would benefit. are you calling all Australian tax payers corrupt?

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #202 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 1:16pm

Rider wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 1:12pm:

# wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:11am:

# wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:17pm:

Quote:

....................However, a spokesman for Malcolm Turnbull, who is expected to be appointed Communications Minister next week, said a cost-benefit analysis would show which network structure was most appropriate.

‘‘We will conduct a thorough cost-benefit analysis of this project so that the general public will finally be able to assess what this project is really going to cost in terms of time and dollars, and the relative trade-offs of differing approaches to delivering better broadband,’’ the spokesman said.

“It comes as little surprise that people around Australia are waiting for better broadband – after six years of Labor Government there are still two million households whose Internet is so poor they can’t even access a YouTube video.’’
.....

http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/pronbn-petition-most-popular-but-l...

hey, they are looking at it like a business would!!!!!!

Ahh... cost/benefit analysis. Get the assumptions right and you can be assured of whatever outcome you want.

and refusing to even consider a CBA in the first place is better????

Who but the corrupt would benefit from a corrupt CBA?

tax payers would benefit. are you calling all Australian tax payers corrupt?

like they benefited form Queenslands 'independent audit'?????

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #203 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 1:21pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 1:16pm:

Rider wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 1:12pm:

# wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:11am:

# wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:17pm:

Quote:

....................However, a spokesman for Malcolm Turnbull, who is expected to be appointed Communications Minister next week, said a cost-benefit analysis would show which network structure was most appropriate.

‘‘We will conduct a thorough cost-benefit analysis of this project so that the general public will finally be able to assess what this project is really going to cost in terms of time and dollars, and the relative trade-offs of differing approaches to delivering better broadband,’’ the spokesman said.

“It comes as little surprise that people around Australia are waiting for better broadband – after six years of Labor Government there are still two million households whose Internet is so poor they can’t even access a YouTube video.’’
.....

http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/pronbn-petition-most-popular-but-l...

hey, they are looking at it like a business would!!!!!!

Ahh... cost/benefit analysis. Get the assumptions right and you can be assured of whatever outcome you want.

and refusing to even consider a CBA in the first place is better????

Who but the corrupt would benefit from a corrupt CBA?

tax payers would benefit. are you calling all Australian tax payers corrupt?

like they benefited form Queenslands 'independent audit'?????

boo hoo
you just didn't like the author. I did. sucks to be you.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #205 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 1:24pm

Rider wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 1:16pm:

Rider wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 1:12pm:

# wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:11am:

# wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:17pm:

Quote:

....................However, a spokesman for Malcolm Turnbull, who is expected to be appointed Communications Minister next week, said a cost-benefit analysis would show which network structure was most appropriate.

‘‘We will conduct a thorough cost-benefit analysis of this project so that the general public will finally be able to assess what this project is really going to cost in terms of time and dollars, and the relative trade-offs of differing approaches to delivering better broadband,’’ the spokesman said.

“It comes as little surprise that people around Australia are waiting for better broadband – after six years of Labor Government there are still two million households whose Internet is so poor they can’t even access a YouTube video.’’
.....

http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/pronbn-petition-most-popular-but-l...

hey, they are looking at it like a business would!!!!!!

Ahh... cost/benefit analysis. Get the assumptions right and you can be assured of whatever outcome you want.

and refusing to even consider a CBA in the first place is better????

Who but the corrupt would benefit from a corrupt CBA?

tax payers would benefit. are you calling all Australian tax payers corrupt?

like they benefited form Queenslands 'independent audit'?????

boo hoo
you just didn't like the author. I did. sucks to be you.

I didn't like the audit because his figures were found wanting

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #206 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 1:49pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

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you will get FREE 50-100Mbps FTTN internet. ...

Not quite.

Details are hard to come by but, as it's been explained to me, the Coalition plan more or less stops at the node. If the wires to your house were 50 years old and in poor condition, they'll be in poor condition and a little older after the node is installed. The existing wires will be transferred to the new node. Nothing will change on your property.

To get the faster services, you'll need extra hardware in your premises. That will cost you. You'll also need to have your service transferred to a different type of port in the node. That will cost you. Depending on the condition of the existing wires, it might not work very well.

Fibre to the premises necessarily involves extra hardware in your premises. At present they're providing:
and
The equipment has a port for a phone and four data ports, only one of which is turned on. You can get more ports turned on at extra cost.

Both plans involve access and usage charges, but there are additional up-front costs in the Coalition plan.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #207 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 1:51pm

Rider wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 1:12pm:

# wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

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Who but the corrupt would benefit from a corrupt CBA?

tax payers would benefit. are you calling all Australian tax payers corrupt?

How would a corrupt process benefit tax payers? Wouldn't it be calculated to deceive? How does deception benefit the deceived?

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #208 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 2:06pm

# wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

Rider wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 1:12pm:

# wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

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Who but the corrupt would benefit from a corrupt CBA?

tax payers would benefit. are you calling all Australian tax payers corrupt?

How would a corrupt process benefit tax payers? Wouldn't it be calculated to deceive? How does deception benefit the deceived?

If you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to worry about ... have you??

Anyone spruiking the need for super internet access in residential homes put there as a response to 'vital' infrastructure needs a good bitch slapping.

Vital broadband infrastructure in commercial/business settings, absolutely, put there by private enterprise, absolutely.

Government forming policy to support private investment decisions and drive competition, absolutely.

Governments stifling and annulling competition by 'going it alone' and 'picking winners' - no freakin' way.

Rolling it out to suburbs to satisfy moron gamers and teenagers to steal movies and music....get real.

About time the adults started making decisions again. This project is like sending your 8 yr old to do the grocery shopping. They'll come home with chips, chocolate and ice cream.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #209 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 2:12pm

Rider wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 2:06pm:

# wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

Rider wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 1:12pm:

# wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

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Who but the corrupt would benefit from a corrupt CBA?

tax payers would benefit. are you calling all Australian tax payers corrupt?