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Reply #210 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 2:44pm
 
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I didn't like the audit because his figures were found wanting

Didn't the federal coalition lead a West Australian firm to corruption prior the 2010 election?

It does look like this mob are particularly into corrupting the otherwise decent.

Maybe Abbott really is a pawn of SatanMurdoch. He's certainly a corrupting influence, by the look of it.
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Reply #211 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 3:38pm
 
Optus weighs in with plan for broadband


    by: Mitchell Bingemann
    From: The Australian
    September 12, 2013 12:00AM

OPTUS is considering plans to front the construction costs of laying fibre across the last mile of the Coalition's fibre-to-the-node plan, allowing consumers to get it direct to their homes on multi-year broadband contracts.

The plans, which have been under consideration for months, would allow Optus to amortise the costs of laying fibre to homes over multi-year contracts, similar to how mobile phone contracts are set for two years.

The theory is that by subsidising the cost of laying fibre to homes — which the former Labor government said could cost as much as $5000 per connection — Optus will be able to offer plans that lock in customers on long-term contracts.

Informa analyst Tony Brown described the play as a "ground-breaking idea", but warned that it would depend on a number of factors falling into place.

"First, Optus will actually need the Coalition to turn the NBN around and to start installing and activating nodes — that's probably about 18 months away at least," he said.

"Second, this sort of idea really works best if done on a neighbourhood basis; the economics just don't work if only the IT geek at No 37 orders it because he is going to be paying a fortune for the connection."

Steve Dalby, the chief regulatory officer of the nation's No 3 broadband provider iiNet, said the telco had not considered funding fibre connections for consumers, but he would not rule it out.

"Without more detail from the Coalition it's hard to determine if this would be viable. Maybe we will look at the option, but we haven't done so yet," he said.

Mr Dalby warned that there would be some hurdles in locking in consumers long enough to recoup the expensive cost of laying fibre along the last mile.

"People change residence regularly in Australia so that could be a big problem. If you move house, it could incur large break fees. It would probably make more sense for businesses to do this, though," he said.

Optus has been toying with the idea since the Coalition announced its NBN policy earlier this year.

Under Labor's NBN plan, a fibre network was being rolled out to 93 per cent of the nation's homes and businesses.

The Coalition, however, plans on scaling back the NBN fibre deployment to cabinets on street corners and retain copper connections to homes.

While cheaper and quicker to roll out than Labor's plan, the Coalition policy will deliver slower download speeds.

The Coalition says that by 2019 it wants at least 90 per cent of consumers in the fixed-line footprint on 50Mbps.

For businesses and consumers dissatisfied with lower speeds under the Coalition plan, it has promised a "fibre-on-demand" option where users pay for fibre from the node to the premises, which would usually be less than 800m.

Incoming communications minister Malcolm Turnbull has said that in Britain, a product offered by BT Openreach, known as "fibre on demand", costs a customer living 500m from a node pound stg. 1500 ($950).
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #212 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 3:55pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 11:28am:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 11:23am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 11:18am:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 11:16am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 11:02am:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 10:56am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 10:55am:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 10:54am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 10:47am:
Well I suppose one day we'll find out how much fiber will
cost to be connected to  the home
& the monthly usage payment.

I bet it will be beyond the budget of all but the rich?

It's lucky for some people that they already have it.



you will get FREE 50-100Mbps FTTN internet.  it is 40 times what you already have (and didn't know was slow!) so stop your childish complaining.



Nothing is free Longy - are you on the cooking sherry?

It's a bit early in the morning isn't it?


just like the original NBN, the FTTN will be provided completely free to you or did you miss the entire point of the NBN?



Fiber to the node will not be free.
You'll have to pay for it every month to rent it.


you man... shock horror... like the LABOR NBN???

you can be quite obtuse at times and merely stupid the rest of the time.



Longy,
apologise for saying that fiber to the node would be free.


FTTN will be totally free just as FTTH was (and is) totally free.  if you intend to put services on it like a phone and/or internet then yes, you will have to pay for it.

so I am right and you - as always - are wrong.  again.



That's a fine point - it's free to have a box put in the street but
you'll have to pay to be connected to it every month.

You are loose with language - hardly someone with a BSc.



and STILL you are wrong.  you will be connected to 'it' for free and remained connected.  but if you want anything delivered along 'it' you will have to pay for it.  its like shopping centres/// you re allowed to go there for free but if you want any of the goods available there you need to pay for it.
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #213 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 4:00pm
 
# wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 12:04pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 11:16am:
# wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 11:00am:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 10:52am:
# wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 10:29am:
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You're saying that something will reverse the trend. Every time you're put to the test, you run away. Put up or take the challenge.


So no answer, longweekend58? Planning to take the challenge?


IM asking you to provide a credible set of data and not something ending in 2004 when ADSL 2+ was in its infancy.

No, longweekend58, I've already done my bit. You provide the data showing that the rise in demand has halted. Then explain what halted it.

As I've already substantiated, bandwidth demand is forecast to exceed 1Gb/s by 2020. You dislike that substantiation, but haven't been able to substantiate your dislike.  Roll Eyes

Put up or take the challenge



you have shown nothing at all.  all you did was show a graph of 10 year old data that is more relevant to the use of dial-up than broadband.  And I never said the demand for bandwidth had halted  like all hysterics, you ASSUMED that from my demand for you for an explanation of what it would be used for.  On this same site we have a thread about people finding out they have relatively slow connections and NOT EVEN BEING AWARE of it.  and the need for 1Gbps connection ins a mere 7 yers is fanciful and without any justification whatsoever.  it is in fact ludicrous and if you had half a brain you would have known why Quigley said it.  FTTH can provide 1G potentially if required with FTTN cannot.  but at no point did he articulate any support for such a ludicrous position.  If it were true then an extrapolation of it would place bandwidth beyond fibre's technical feasibility in less than 30 years.
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Reply #214 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 4:02pm
 
# wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 12:07pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 10:11am:
# wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 9:48pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 9:17pm:
Quote:
....................However, a spokesman for Malcolm Turnbull, who is expected to be appointed Communications Minister next week, said a cost-benefit analysis would show which network structure was most appropriate.

‘‘We will conduct a thorough cost-benefit analysis of this project so that the general public will finally be able to assess what this project is really going to cost in terms of time and dollars, and the relative trade-offs of differing approaches to delivering better broadband,’’ the spokesman said.

“It comes as little surprise that people around Australia are waiting for better broadband – after six years of Labor Government there are still two million households whose Internet is so poor they can’t even access a YouTube video.’’
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http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/pronbn-petition-most-popular-but-l...

hey, they are looking at it like a business would!!!!!!

Ahh... cost/benefit analysis. Get the assumptions right and you can be assured of whatever outcome you want.


and refusing to even consider a CBA in the first place is better????
Who but the corrupt would benefit from a corrupt CBA?


who but a fool would benefit from NO CBA?  Just what is your hysterical opposition to a cost benefit analysis???  one can only assume that you fear the outcome would be that the costs far outweigh the benefits and that the benefits have been grossly oversold.
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #215 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 4:04pm
 
# wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 1:49pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 10:54am:
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you will get FREE 50-100Mbps FTTN internet. ...
Not quite.

Details are hard to come by but, as it's been explained to me, the Coalition plan more or less stops at the node. If the wires to your house were 50 years old and in poor condition, they'll be in poor condition and a little older after the node is installed. The existing wires will be transferred to the new node. Nothing will change on your property.

To get the faster services, you'll need extra hardware in your premises. That will cost you. You'll also need to have your service transferred to a different type of port in the node. That will cost you. Depending on the condition of the existing wires, it might not work very well.

Fibre to the premises necessarily involves extra hardware in your premises. At present they're providing:
http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/nbnco/get-an-nbn-connection/home-and-business/nb... and http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco/images/outlet-box-200x277.png
The equipment has a port for a phone and four data ports, only one of which is turned on. You can get more ports turned on at extra cost.

Both plans involve access and usage charges, but there are additional up-front costs in the Coalition plan.



but we will ALL have it in 6 years whereas the labor plan would be 10 years further down the track - if at all.
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Reply #216 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 4:06pm
 
# wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 2:12pm:
Rider wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 2:06pm:
# wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 1:51pm:
Rider wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 1:12pm:
# wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 12:07pm:
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Who but the corrupt would benefit from a corrupt CBA?


tax payers would benefit. are you calling all Australian tax payers corrupt?

How would a corrupt process benefit tax payers? Wouldn't it be calculated to deceive? How does deception benefit the deceived?


If you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to worry about ... have you??
...
How does being deceived by corruption relate to having something to hide?

Did you forget to take your medication?  Roll Eyes



sounds like YOUR anti-paranoia medication is not working.  Why must you assume that a CBA must be corrupt?  It cannot by definition be more corrupt than a completely absent one where the viability assessment was never done at all ever.
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Reply #217 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 4:07pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 3:55pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 11:28am:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 11:23am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 11:18am:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 11:16am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 11:02am:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 10:56am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 10:55am:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 10:54am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 10:47am:
Well I suppose one day we'll find out how much fiber will
cost to be connected to  the home
& the monthly usage payment.

I bet it will be beyond the budget of all but the rich?

It's lucky for some people that they already have it.



you will get FREE 50-100Mbps FTTN internet.  it is 40 times what you already have (and didn't know was slow!) so stop your childish complaining.



Nothing is free Longy - are you on the cooking sherry?

It's a bit early in the morning isn't it?


just like the original NBN, the FTTN will be provided completely free to you or did you miss the entire point of the NBN?



Fiber to the node will not be free.
You'll have to pay for it every month to rent it.


you man... shock horror... like the LABOR NBN???

you can be quite obtuse at times and merely stupid the rest of the time.



Longy,
apologise for saying that fiber to the node would be free.


FTTN will be totally free just as FTTH was (and is) totally free.  if you intend to put services on it like a phone and/or internet then yes, you will have to pay for it.

so I am right and you - as always - are wrong.  again.



That's a fine point - it's free to have a box put in the street but
you'll have to pay to be connected to it every month.

You are loose with language - hardly someone with a BSc.



and STILL you are wrong.  you will be connected to 'it' for free and remained connected.  but if you want anything delivered along 'it' you will have to pay for it.  its like shopping centres/// you re allowed to go there for free but if you want any of the goods available there you need to pay for it.



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Reply #218 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 4:17pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 3:55pm:
...  you will be connected to 'it' for free ...

Not quite.
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Reply #219 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 4:20pm
 
# wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 4:17pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 3:55pm:
...  you will be connected to 'it' for free ...

Not quite.


so where is your bandwith data for the post 2004 period?  cant find it?  bit embarrassing??  extrapolation doesn't lead to 1Gbps??

or all of the above?
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Reply #220 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 4:22pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 4:00pm:
... I never said the demand for bandwidth had halted ...
The question was about the demonstrated rise in demand. Do you now acknowledge that the rise in demand has continued? Do you now admit that there's no prospect of the rise in demand halting?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 4:00pm:
...  and the need for 1Gbps connection ins a mere 7 yers is fanciful ...
What qualification of yours makes you a more credible source?
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Reply #221 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 4:34pm
 
# wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 4:22pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 4:00pm:
... I never said the demand for bandwidth had halted ...
The question was about the demonstrated rise in demand. Do you now acknowledge that the rise in demand has continued? Do you now admit that there's no prospect of the rise in demand halting?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 4:00pm:
...  and the need for 1Gbps connection ins a mere 7 yers is fanciful ...
What qualification of yours makes you a more credible source?



once again, I never said the rise in demand had halted.  I did however say that the rise in demand was not anuthing like you hysterics are claiming.

and the 1Gbps claim is sheer political talk.  work it out for yourself.  if every 7 years required a 100 times increase then in under 30 years you are look at a 10^8 increase over the current 12Mbps bandwidth or 1.2x 10^15bps which is 1million TERABITs per sec. 

I think that's a little excessive don't you think and since it exceeds fibres capacity then perhaps we should be looking at a new technology?
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Reply #223 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 7:13pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 4:02pm:
...Just what is your hysterical opposition to a cost benefit analysis??? ...

I've already given my reasons. Abbot in particular has shown a propensity for corrupting those who do such tasks for him. My assessment of Turnbull is that he'll do what Abbott tells him. Any such analysis by this government would be calculated to deceive. What's your onanistic attachment to what is, after all, no more than a political tactic in this context?

Do we need more studies? Wasn't the need realised shortly after the Internet became widely available? Remember Opel? Remember Networking the Nation?

Until Kevin Rudd came up with fibre to the home, thus earning the ire of Rupert Murdoch, broadband had support from both sides of politics. It was only when the plan became something that would actually work, that opposition mounted.

I find it particularly amusing that what the Coalition labelled "fraudband" when it was Labor policy, they now pretend is state of the art. It's been years since anyone credible has said that FTTN will do the job that Australia needs done.
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Reply #224 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 7:15pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 4:34pm:
I think that's a little excessive don't you think and since it exceeds fibres capacity then perhaps we should be looking at a new technology?



Says the man who wants to stick with 100 year old technology.
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