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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #300 - Sep 16^th, 2013 at 12:21pm

# wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 12:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 8:56am:

... there is in fact NO EXPONENTIAL growth in bandwidth. it is certainly rising but it is not exponential.

Take another look at the graph. Looks exponential to me. You say otherwise. Substantiate your assertion.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 8:56am:

the claim that we will be NEEDING 1Gbps by 2020 is just silly.

The source is credible. Certainly more credible that you, I or any politician. Once again, substantiate your assertion.

Put up or take the challenge

Quigley is not a credible commentator. he is just a CEO who has quit and is desperately trying to defend his record by claiming the we will need bandwidth that 'only he can supply'. no evidence, no justification, just foolish commentary.

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Reply #301 - Sep 16^th, 2013 at 12:22pm

# wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 12:18pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 9:42pm:

what if the cost benefit anaylsis show FTTH is the best ?

If a cost/benefit analysis commissioned by the Coalition does indeed show that FTTH is best, then whoever did the analysis will never again get any work from the Coalition. Murdoch will probably ensure that they never work again, at all.

Of course, the public will never know of the result of that analysis. A new one will be quietly commissioned. That one will show conclusively that FTTN is the be-all and end-all.

then ask yourself why labor never did a CBA? ever wonder why?

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #302 - Sep 16^th, 2013 at 12:24pm longweekend58 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 12:19pm: ... so where is the post 2004 bandwidth growth data?? So where's your substantiation? Put up or take the challenge
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #303 - Sep 16^th, 2013 at 12:44pm

# wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 12:18pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 9:42pm:

what if the cost benefit anaylsis show FTTH is the best ?

If a cost/benefit analysis commissioned by the Coalition does indeed show that FTTH is best, then whoever did the analysis will never again get any work from the Coalition. Murdoch will probably ensure that they never work again, at all.

Of course, the public will never know of the result of that analysis. A new one will be quietly commissioned. That one will show conclusively that FTTN is the be-all and end-all.

and you are absolutely certainn of this, are you # ?

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so...........

I see still no answer, another diversion AND a conspiracy theory ............

leftys are getting worserer.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #304 - Sep 16^th, 2013 at 1:38pm

Vuk11 wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 10:12pm:

One question I would like answered is what stopped Telstra from upgrading their exchanges in the first place?

Why did we have to wait for government intervention, which has now been cut off 1/3 of the way through?

Telstra actually did upgrade the network, as far as the exchanges. They left the rest because it wasn't in their commercial interests to upgrade it.

They had a monopoly on the wires to most premises. Upgrading that part of the network would have increased usage, and thus the load on the network as a whole. Their interests were best served by charging what the market would bear, while delivering as little as possible.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #305 - Sep 16^th, 2013 at 1:42pm # wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 12:24pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 12:19pm: ... so where is the post 2004 bandwidth growth data?? So where's your substantiation? Put up or take the challenge you are the one making the claim, clown. provide the evidence of bandwith being exponential in growth.
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #306 - Sep 16^th, 2013 at 1:45pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 8:51am:

... FTTN will give YOU 50Mbps ...

Can you substantiate that? What does Telstra say about the condition of the customer access network?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 8:51am:

... - hardly second-rate ...

Yes, not even second-rate.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 8:51am:

and is still far more than you will ever need.

Can you substantiate that?

Put up or take the challenge

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #307 - Sep 16^th, 2013 at 2:44pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 11:31am:

Vuk11 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 11:25am:

With FTTN does this mean they are replacing all existing copper lines so anyone currently on ADSL2+ for example would have the line from the exchange to the node replaced?

I fail to see how this will increase anyone's speed at all. The latency/ping might be reduced over distance due to the fibre, however this doesn't seem like it would change your upload/download speed as it still goes through the same slow copper wire from the house.

Also how about the connection from Australia to other countries? Is it going to stay the same.

Any clarification on that would be good.

It would be obvious that copper wires from homes would be re-routed to the nodes and presumably substandard lines replaced. But the point is that the copper lines are already there and already work. RIMS etc would end up being replaced.

But the point is that the copper lines are already there and already work. RIMS etc would end up being replaced

A RIM is a node and it is fed by fibre ?

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #308 - Sep 16^th, 2013 at 2:50pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 8:51am:

Kat wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 7:11am:

Isn't it funny how, just like on most subjects, the Right have NO idea what they are talking about when it comes to IT?

Know who I'm going to hold responsible if this asshole sticks us with his 2nd-rate internet?

That's right...YOU Luddite fools!!!

You idiots would have us still on 14.4kb/s dial-up if you had your way, 'Oh, but I can do what I
want to do now, why should 'we' pay for b'band?'.

Your insane and irrational hatred of Labor has led you to make some very stupid decisions.

This FTTN bullshyt is but one.

And one that you should pay a VERY heavy price for.

FOOLS!

Oh, and please don't come back with some BS about you having IT quals.

if you support FTTN, especially for some of the pathetic and irrelevant reasons
posted here by the Right, you are NOT knowledgeable enough about IT to even
HOLD an opinion on the matter. And if you use 'cost' as an excuse, you are
simply nothing but selfish pr1cks.

you are such a moron. FTTN will give YOU 50Mbps - hardly second-rate and is still far more than you will ever need.

There are third world countries who would laugh at 50Meg today, let alone in 15 years time.

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Dnarever Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 59159 Here Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #309 - Sep 16^th, 2013 at 3:28pm FTTN was originally suggested by Telstra in 2004 but it was rejected by the ACCC. Most countries that introduced FTTN are now replacing it. FTTN is not much cheaper than FTTH in most cases. FTTN is a lot slower In new areas the cost is the same for both.
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #310 - Sep 16^th, 2013 at 3:45pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 2:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 11:31am:

Vuk11 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 11:25am:

With FTTN does this mean they are replacing all existing copper lines so anyone currently on ADSL2+ for example would have the line from the exchange to the node replaced?

I fail to see how this will increase anyone's speed at all. The latency/ping might be reduced over distance due to the fibre, however this doesn't seem like it would change your upload/download speed as it still goes through the same slow copper wire from the house.

Also how about the connection from Australia to other countries? Is it going to stay the same.

Any clarification on that would be good.

It would be obvious that copper wires from homes would be re-routed to the nodes and presumably substandard lines replaced. But the point is that the copper lines are already there and already work. RIMS etc would end up being replaced.

But the point is that the copper lines are already there and already work. RIMS etc would end up being replaced

A RIM is a node and it is fed by fibre ?

yeah... its identical to a FTTN node.

moron.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #311 - Sep 16^th, 2013 at 3:47pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 2:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 8:51am:

Kat wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 7:11am:

Isn't it funny how, just like on most subjects, the Right have NO idea what they are talking about when it comes to IT?

Know who I'm going to hold responsible if this asshole sticks us with his 2nd-rate internet?

That's right...YOU Luddite fools!!!

You idiots would have us still on 14.4kb/s dial-up if you had your way, 'Oh, but I can do what I
want to do now, why should 'we' pay for b'band?'.

Your insane and irrational hatred of Labor has led you to make some very stupid decisions.

This FTTN bullshyt is but one.

And one that you should pay a VERY heavy price for.

FOOLS!

Oh, and please don't come back with some BS about you having IT quals.

if you support FTTN, especially for some of the pathetic and irrelevant reasons
posted here by the Right, you are NOT knowledgeable enough about IT to even
HOLD an opinion on the matter. And if you use 'cost' as an excuse, you are
simply nothing but selfish pr1cks.

you are such a moron. FTTN will give YOU 50Mbps - hardly second-rate and is still far more than you will ever need.

There are third world countries who would laugh at 50Meg today, let alone in 15 years time.

care to name ONE example???? many third-world countries are lucky to have reliable phone lines nevermind dialup

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #312 - Sep 16^th, 2013 at 3:48pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

FTTN was originally suggested by Telstra in 2004 but it was rejected by the ACCC.

Most countries that introduced FTTN are now replacing it.

name them

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FTTN is not much cheaper than FTTH in most cases.

No it isn't

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FTTN is a lot slower 50Mbps is

6 times the current speed

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In new areas the cost is the same for both. probably true but hardly the point.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #313 - Sep 16^th, 2013 at 3:54pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

FTTN was originally suggested by Telstra in 2004 but it was rejected by the ACCC.

Most countries that introduced FTTN are now replacing it.

FTTN is not much cheaper than FTTH in most cases.

FTTN is a lot slower

In new areas the cost is the same for both.

If that is the case, one would imagine FTTH would pass a CBA with few problems.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #314 - Sep 16^th, 2013 at 4:08pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 10:00am:

... Ive lived in my own home for 32 years and never had any problem with it. ...

Perhaps you're just lucky.

Worst of the worst: Photos of Australia’s copper network
When good copper cable goes bad
Copper network in shocking state

Copper good for 100 years, says Thodey Quote:

Now, we’re absolutely sure that Thodey’s comments will be met with howls of derision from many quarters. After all, there are plenty out there on broadband connections which suffer poor quality precisely because of poor copper lines. There are even those (such as your writer) who tend to suffer issues with their broadband connection when it rains.

No pristine photos: Telstra rejects copper challenge Quote:

The nation’s largest telco Telstra has declined a challenge to provide photos highlighting good examples of the best-maintained infrastructure in its national copper telecommunications network, following the publication several weeks ago of a “worst of the worst” gallery of photos of the network.

Because they couldn't, perhaps?

New technology leaves Telstra in the copper age Quote:

Warren, group manager, regulatory strategy, told the committee: "I think it is right to suggest that ADSL is an interim technology. It is probably the last sweating, if you like, of the old copper network assets. In copper years, if you like, we are at a sort of transition - we are at five minutes to midnight."

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