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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #330 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 7:50am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 4:20pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

FTTN was originally suggested by Telstra in 2004 but it was rejected by the ACCC.

Most countries that introduced FTTN are now replacing it.

FTTN is not much cheaper than FTTH in most cases.

FTTN is a lot slower

In new areas the cost is the same for both.

If that is the case, one would imagine FTTH would pass a CBA with few problems.

that's whaty ou would think... but the above isn't even remotely true.

You can't substantiate that assertion, can you?

Put up or take the challenge

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #331 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 7:55am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 4:22pm:

# wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 4:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 10:41am:

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fooling you is rather easy.

Quote:

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

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You might be well advised to contemplate whether it's only yourself that you'r fooling.

I was referring to booby and there are few on here that would consider him anything more than an intellectual dud.

With your habitual unsubstantiated assertions and fabrications, do you honestly believe that what you achieve is more than trolling? Bobby at least seems to think about the answers he gets and the responses he gives. In comparative credibility, you lose.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #332 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 8:01am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 5:30pm:

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I wonder if Longweekend even watched the above video -
from a qualified engineer?
He doesn't have anything good to say about Turnbull's solutions.

Given longy's history, I have no doubt that he hasn't. The bloke says what every honest, qualified commentator says.

The election gave us a choice between bad and worse. We chose the latter.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #333 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 8:08am

# wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 9:01pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

FTTN was originally suggested by Telstra in 2004 but it was rejected by the ACCC.

Most countries that introduced FTTN are now replacing it.

FTTN is not much cheaper than FTTH in most cases.

FTTN is a lot slower

In new areas the cost is the same for both.

If that is the case, one would imagine FTTH would pass a CBA with few problems.

An honest CBA, no doubt. A political one, probably not.

Yes, I am assumng an honest CBA.
It would be incorrect to assume a dishonest CBA.

So, we can await the CBA, see what it says.

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #334 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 8:10am Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 8:08am: ... It would be incorrect to assume a dishonest CBA. ... Would it be wise to assume an honest one?
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #335 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 8:18am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 10:42pm:

Good posts #.

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Unions raise doubts over Telstra's copper network; workers using plastic bags to waterproof cables

By Jake Sturmer and Johanna McDiarmid

Updated Mon 24 Jun 2013, 10:34am AEST

Unions have told the ABC that Telstra's copper network is in a state of disrepair, with workers at the coalface of the infrastructure using plastic bags to protect cables from water.

The telecommunications pits have been nicknamed 'bag-dad' by contractors because of the plastic bags, that are in theory supposed to keep the water out.

Longweekend's assertions rebutted but typically no answer or apology.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #336 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 8:24am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 8:18am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 10:42pm:

Good posts #.

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Unions raise doubts over Telstra's copper network; workers using plastic bags to waterproof cables

By Jake Sturmer and Johanna McDiarmid

Updated Mon 24 Jun 2013, 10:34am AEST

Unions have told the ABC that Telstra's copper network is in a state of disrepair, with workers at the coalface of the infrastructure using plastic bags to protect cables from water.

The telecommunications pits have been nicknamed 'bag-dad' by contractors because of the plastic bags, that are in theory supposed to keep the water out.

Longweekend's assertions rebutted but typically no answer or apology.

I read somewhere the other day, that the inability to acknowledge facts as facts, while
persisting in a belief that falsehoods are facts, is an actual recognised mental illness.

Lotta sufferers on here....

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 106529 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #337 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 8:31am Yes Kat - Longweekend follows the party line - no matter what.
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #338 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 8:39am

Kat wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 8:24am:

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I read somewhere the other day, that the inability to acknowledge facts as facts, while
persisting in a belief that falsehoods are facts, is an actual recognised mental illness.
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What is psychosis? Quote:

When someone experiences psychosis they are unable to distinguish what is real — there is a loss of contact with reality.

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #339 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 9:16am It was somewhat less than psychosis, they could function normally, but could not grasp that their beliefs could be wrong, even when presented with proof. A bit like the Libs' claims re the economy and the NBN, really.
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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #340 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 9:23am I guess it depends on what we regard as functioning "normally". How well the nation fares under this mob remains to be seen.
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #341 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 10:15am

# wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 4:34pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

# wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 12:10pm:

[quote author=longweekend58 link=1378606062/285#285 date=1379285807]... there is in fact NO EXPONENTIAL growth in bandwidth. it is certainly rising but it is not exponential.

Take another look at the graph. Looks exponential to me. You say otherwise. Substantiate your assertion.

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so where is the post 2004 bandwidth growth data??

Where is your substantiation that the growth:

is not exponential and
has not continued at an exponential rate

?

Put up or take the challenge

that's not how this works. YOU made the claim so you get to substantiate it.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #342 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 10:18am

# wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 8:37pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 12:22pm:

... ask yourself why labor never did a CBA? ...

That's a question I've asked in fora far more credible than this. The answer is that there have been numerous analyses, assessments, studies, papers and whatever over the years.

When Internet usage first began to bloom, issues with Australia's telecommunications network were highlighted. Here are a few of the links:
Roger Clarke's 'Networked Nation'
ACS: Vision for a Networked Nation
Networking Australia's Future
Note that they all date from 1994. Over the intervening years, there have been many more. 1994 was during the Keating years.

Take particular note of the second term of reference for the government inquiry. Labor has indeed done cost/benefit analysis.

Until recently, enhanced and equitable access to broadband had bipartisan support. Remember OpEl? That support evaporated when Kevin Rudd announced fibre to the premises. So how did that come about?

Rudd went to the 2007 election with a fibre to the node plan. At the time, the Coalition branded it "fraudband". Unfortunately, the plan relied on access to Telstra's monopoly customer access network. Then Telstra CEO, Sol Trujillo, played the ultimate obstructionist.

Trujillo was thinking in American. Rudd did what no US President would or could: he decided to build over Telstra's monopoly. Most of the cost of building a network lies in getting machines and workers to the job. It made no sense to duplicate the already obsolete copper network, so he went for fibre to the premises.

Under the circumstances, what's your problem?

so now you want to refer me to a 1994 report when even dial-up was in its infancy and you want to pretend that labor has done a CBA on the NBN

you are certainly entertaining... but not very bright.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #343 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 10:23am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 10:15am:

# wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 4:34pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

# wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 12:10pm:

[quote author=longweekend58 link=1378606062/285#285 date=1379285807]... there is in fact NO EXPONENTIAL growth in bandwidth. it is certainly rising but it is not exponential.

Take another look at the graph. Looks exponential to me. You say otherwise. Substantiate your assertion.

...
so where is the post 2004 bandwidth growth data??

Where is your substantiation that the growth:

is not exponential and
has not continued at an exponential rate

?...

that's not how this works. YOU made the claim so you get to substantiate it.

Where is your substantiation that the growth:

is not exponential and
has not continued at an exponential rate

?

Put up or take the challenge

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #344 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 10:25am

# wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 10:23am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 10:15am:

# wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 4:34pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

# wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 12:10pm:

[quote author=longweekend58 link=1378606062/285#285 date=1379285807]... there is in fact NO EXPONENTIAL growth in bandwidth. it is certainly rising but it is not exponential.

Take another look at the graph. Looks exponential to me. You say otherwise. Substantiate your assertion.

...
so where is the post 2004 bandwidth growth data??

Where is your substantiation that the growth:

is not exponential and
has not continued at an exponential rate

?...

that's not how this works. YOU made the claim so you get to substantiate it.

Where is your substantiation that the growth:

is not exponential and
has not continued at an exponential rate

?

Put up or take the challenge

Listen #,
Longy is just a time waster.
Don't worry about him.

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