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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #345 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 10:30am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

# wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 8:37pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 12:22pm:

... ask yourself why labor never did a CBA? ...

That's a question I've asked in fora far more credible than this. The answer is that there have been numerous analyses, assessments, studies, papers and whatever over the years.

When Internet usage first began to bloom, issues with Australia's telecommunications network were highlighted. Here are a few of the links:
Roger Clarke's 'Networked Nation'
ACS: Vision for a Networked Nation
Networking Australia's Future
Note that they all date from 1994. Over the intervening years, there have been many more. 1994 was during the Keating years.

Take particular note of the second term of reference for the government inquiry. Labor has indeed done cost/benefit analysis.

Until recently, enhanced and equitable access to broadband had bipartisan support. Remember OpEl? That support evaporated when Kevin Rudd announced fibre to the premises. So how did that come about?

Rudd went to the 2007 election with a fibre to the node plan. At the time, the Coalition branded it "fraudband". Unfortunately, the plan relied on access to Telstra's monopoly customer access network. Then Telstra CEO, Sol Trujillo, played the ultimate obstructionist.

Trujillo was thinking in American. Rudd did what no US President would or could: he decided to build over Telstra's monopoly. Most of the cost of building a network lies in getting machines and workers to the job. It made no sense to duplicate the already obsolete copper network, so he went for fibre to the premises.

Under the circumstances, what's your problem?

so now you want to refer me to a 1994 report when even dial-up was in its infancy and you want to pretend that labor has done a CBA on the NBN

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labor never did a CBA

. I showed you a CBA*. I also gave you history and background.

Put up or take the challenge

* By all reports, the first, but not the only one.

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The Americans have need of the telephone, but we do not. We have plenty of messenger boys.

-- Sir William Preece, chief engineer of the British Post Office, 1876.

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #346 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 10:32am Bobby. wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 10:25am: ... Listen #, Longy is just a time waster. Don't worry about him. Actually, longy's a troll. I worked that out long ago. The fabrications and unsubstantiated assertions are dead giveaways.
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #347 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 10:40am

# wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 10:32am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 10:25am:

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Listen #,
Longy is just a time waster.
Don't worry about him.

Actually, longy's a troll. I worked that out long ago. The fabrications and unsubstantiated assertions are dead giveaways.

Actually he's a paid of Liberal party member & he supports
whatever the Libbos do no matter how ridiculous.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #348 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 11:02am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 10:40am:

# wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 10:32am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 10:25am:

...
Listen #,
Longy is just a time waster.
Don't worry about him.

Actually, longy's a troll. I worked that out long ago. The fabrications and unsubstantiated assertions are dead giveaways.

Actually he's a paid of Liberal party member & he supports
whatever the Libbos do no matter how ridiculous.

If he's being paid for what he does, then whoever's paying should demand their money back. He's making fools of them.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #349 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 11:07am

# wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 11:02am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 10:40am:

# wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 10:32am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 10:25am:

...
Listen #,
Longy is just a time waster.
Don't worry about him.

Actually, longy's a troll. I worked that out long ago. The fabrications and unsubstantiated assertions are dead giveaways.

Actually he's a paid of Liberal party member & he supports
whatever the Libbos do no matter how ridiculous.

If he's being paid for what he does, then whoever's paying should demand their money back. He's making fools of them.

Yes ,
Longy is the gift to Labor that keeps on giving. Grin

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #350 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 2:19pm

# wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 10:30am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

# wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 8:37pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 12:22pm:

... ask yourself why labor never did a CBA? ...

That's a question I've asked in fora far more credible than this. The answer is that there have been numerous analyses, assessments, studies, papers and whatever over the years.

When Internet usage first began to bloom, issues with Australia's telecommunications network were highlighted. Here are a few of the links:
Roger Clarke's 'Networked Nation'
ACS: Vision for a Networked Nation
Networking Australia's Future
Note that they all date from 1994. Over the intervening years, there have been many more. 1994 was during the Keating years.

Take particular note of the second term of reference for the government inquiry. Labor has indeed done cost/benefit analysis.

Until recently, enhanced and equitable access to broadband had bipartisan support. Remember OpEl? That support evaporated when Kevin Rudd announced fibre to the premises. So how did that come about?

Rudd went to the 2007 election with a fibre to the node plan. At the time, the Coalition branded it "fraudband". Unfortunately, the plan relied on access to Telstra's monopoly customer access network. Then Telstra CEO, Sol Trujillo, played the ultimate obstructionist.

Trujillo was thinking in American. Rudd did what no US President would or could: he decided to build over Telstra's monopoly. Most of the cost of building a network lies in getting machines and workers to the job. It made no sense to duplicate the already obsolete copper network, so he went for fibre to the premises.

Under the circumstances, what's your problem?

so now you want to refer me to a 1994 report when even dial-up was in its infancy and you want to pretend that labor has done a CBA on the NBN

...

You claimed Quote:

labor never did a CBA

. I showed you a CBA*. I also gave you history and background.

Put up or take the challenge

* By all reports, the first, but not the only one.

Quote:

The Americans have need of the telephone, but we do not. We have plenty of messenger boys.

-- Sir William Preece, chief engineer of the British Post Office, 1876.

funny comments from you... now you ACTUALL CLAIM that labor did a CBA on the NBN. care to share it with us? I think the entire nation would be fascinated to read it.

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #351 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 2:24pm longweekend58 wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 2:19pm: ... care to share it with us? ... See above. Put up or take the challenge
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #352 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 3:15pm # wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 2:24pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 2:19pm: ... care to share it with us? ... See above. Put up or take the challenge so... in short, there has been no CBA just as everyone else in the country already knew. And where is your post 2004 data to justify your idiotic commentary?
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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #353 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 4:19pm longweekend58 wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 3:15pm: # wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 2:24pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 2:19pm: ... care to share it with us? ... See above. Put up or take the challenge so... in short, there has been no CBA ...? See above. Put up or take the challenge
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #354 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 4:22pm

# wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 4:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 3:15pm:

# wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 2:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 2:19pm:

... care to share it with us? ...

See above.

Put up or take the challenge

so... in short, there has been no CBA ...?

See above.

Put up or take the challenge

there is no challenge, wanker. You posted a manifestly garbage response claiming exponential growth and then providing zero evidence. unless you want to start playing the game by a few basic rules then you will be ignored. you made the claim, you provide the proof.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #355 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 4:26pm longweekend58 wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 4:22pm: ... you provide the proof. See above. Put up or take the challenge
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40769 Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #356 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 5:27pm mabye the alp did a CBA on the nbn. Only it is like Ken Henrys tax reform, we are not allowed to look at it. I STILL hold that aganist the leftards. They should have to personally pay the millions we got billed for it.
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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #357 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 8:15pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 5:27pm: mabye the alp did a CBA on the nbn. ... How many analyses, studies and whatever have there been over the past couple of decades? Given that, until recently, it was bipartisan policy quite a few.
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #358 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 8:36am

# wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 8:15pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 5:27pm:

mabye the alp did a CBA on the nbn.
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How many analyses, studies and whatever have there been over the past couple of decades? Given that, until recently, it was bipartisan policy quite a few.

A COST BENEFT ANALYSIS you moron! A CBA on the NBN is not some 20 year old report on dial-up.

so where is your 2004+ data on bandwidth?

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #359 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 9:01am Ruperts B!tch will make sure that there is no threat to Foxtel so the NBN is dead.
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