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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #360 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 9:53am Im looking forward to the new FTTN network. it will be fast, capable, affordable and even more importantly.... COMPLETED in 7 years.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106532 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #361 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 10:07am longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 9:53am: Im looking forward to the new FTTN network. it will be fast, capable, affordable and even more importantly.... COMPLETED in 7 years. Longweekend, There will be a huge number of faulty lines owing to the corroded copper being used.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106532 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #362 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 10:07am .
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #363 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 10:31am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

# wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 8:15pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 5:27pm:

mabye the alp did a CBA on the nbn.
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How many analyses, studies and whatever have there been over the past couple of decades? Given that, until recently, it was bipartisan policy quite a few.

A COST BENEFT ANALYSIS you moron! A CBA on the NBN is not some 20 year old report on dial-up.

Over the past two decades, haven't there been enough reports, studies and analyses? Are demands for endless reports, studies and analyses anything more than delaying tactics? Under these intensely political circumstances, would yet another report, study or analysis be credible?
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

so where is your 2004+ data on bandwidth?

Where is your substantiation that the growth:

is not exponential and
has not continued at an exponential rate

?

Put up or take the challenge

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #364 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 10:45am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 9:53am:

Im looking forward to the new FTTN network. it will be fast, capable, affordable and even more importantly.... COMPLETED in 7 years.

Let's see, if (and it's a big if) the FTTN network is completed in 7 years, it will be 2020. By 2020, the network will be faced with 1Gb/s demands. As you might remember, you've not been able to substantiate your denial of that forecast.

Will copper deliver 1Gb/s? Will the existing copper deliver 1Gb/s? Over what distances (that is, how many nodes will be needed)? What is the potential of copper for even higher bandwidth demands?

What is the cost comparison between all those soon-to-be obsolete (if not already obsolete) nodes and fibre to the premises? What is the comparative operational life of all those complex, expensive, vulnerable, power & maintenance intensive nodes and optical fibre? What is the comparative reliability of simple fibre and complex nodes?

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #365 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 11:30am

# wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 10:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

# wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 8:15pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 5:27pm:

mabye the alp did a CBA on the nbn.
...

How many analyses, studies and whatever have there been over the past couple of decades? Given that, until recently, it was bipartisan policy quite a few.

A COST BENEFT ANALYSIS you moron! A CBA on the NBN is not some 20 year old report on dial-up.

Over the past two decades, haven't there been enough reports, studies and analyses? Are demands for endless reports, studies and analyses anything more than delaying tactics? Under these intensely political circumstances, would yet another report, study or analysis be credible?
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

so where is your 2004+ data on bandwidth?

Where is your substantiation that the growth:

is not exponential and
has not continued at an exponential rate

?

Put up or take the challenge

You CANNOT with any sane rationale claim that a CBA for the NBN was conducted on the basis of a report done 15 years before on dialup.

you have not yet supported your 'exponential increase' in bandwidth claim. you keep repeating it while offering no evidence whatsoever.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #366 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 11:55am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

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You CANNOT with any sane rationale claim that a CBA for the NBN was conducted on the basis of a report done 15 years before on dialup.

Over the past two decades, haven't there been enough reports, studies and analyses? Are demands for endless reports, studies and analyses anything more than delaying tactics? Under these intensely political circumstances, would yet another report, study or analysis be credible?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

you have not yet supported your 'exponential increase' in bandwidth claim. you keep repeating it while offering no evidence whatsoever.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1378606062/296#296
Where is your substantiation that the growth:

is not exponential and
has not continued at an exponential rate

?

Put up or take the challenge

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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #367 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 12:33pm Don't worry. I am sure our internet is in safe hands. Abbott doesn't waste time with all that science and thinking bullshit. Who care's if we have to rely on deteriorating copper wires for our 21st century internet?
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #368 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 2:06pm

# wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 10:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 9:53am:

Im looking forward to the new FTTN network. it will be fast, capable, affordable and even more importantly.... COMPLETED in 7 years.

Let's see, if (and it's a big if) the FTTN network is completed in 7 years, it will be 2020. By 2020, the network will be faced with 1Gb/s demands. As you might remember, you've not been able to substantiate your denial of that forecast.

Will copper deliver 1Gb/s? Will the existing copper deliver 1Gb/s? Over what distances (that is, how many nodes will be needed)? What is the potential of copper for even higher bandwidth demands?

What is the cost comparison between all those soon-to-be obsolete (if not already obsolete) nodes and fibre to the premises? What is the comparative operational life of all those complex, expensive, vulnerable, power & maintenance intensive nodes and optical fibre? What is the comparative reliability of simple fibre and complex nodes?

why do you continue with such unsubstantiated drivel. Quigley made the claim in a politically motivated rant. even your preferred FTTH is unable to prove 1Gb without significant upgrade and then what do you do in 2027 when we need 100Gbps which fibre CANNOT provide.

you'd believe anyone if they said something you liked.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #369 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 3:41pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 2:06pm:

why do you continue with such unsubstantiated drivel. Quigley made the claim in a politically motivated rant. even your preferred FTTH is unable to prove 1Gb without significant upgrade and then what do you do in 2027 when we need 100Gbps which fibre CANNOT provide.

you'd believe anyone if they said something you liked.

Hey LW58, stop being wrong.

FTTH upgrades only require updating infrastructure at the nodes. Once the fibre is in the ground it doesnt need changing. Do you know why? (that was a rhetorical question, I know you dont know the answer)

Its because the signals are travelling as fast as possible, given our current understanding of science. Sure, you will need to change the magic boxes that you have no idea about, but they are all in simple to get at locations, and you dont need to rip up the street again.

But just one question. The LNPs plan involves Telstra just giving them the copper. DO you think this is likely to happen, given that one of the major reasons the ALP went with FTTH was because Telstra wanted too much money for their copper?

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #370 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 3:49pm

# wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 11:55am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

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You CANNOT with any sane rationale claim that a CBA for the NBN was conducted on the basis of a report done 15 years before on dialup.

Over the past two decades, haven't there been enough reports, studies and analyses? Are demands for endless reports, studies and analyses anything more than delaying tactics? Under these intensely political circumstances, would yet another report, study or analysis be credible?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

you have not yet supported your 'exponential increase' in bandwidth claim. you keep repeating it while offering no evidence whatsoever.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1378606062/296#296
Where is your substantiation that the growth:

is not exponential and
has not continued at an exponential rate

?

Put up or take the challenge

you are wasting your time with longloser because libbos don't believe in change. They believe in large corporations that operate without competition and make as much money as possible whilst continually screwing the consumer for a substandard product or service !!

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #371 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 4:26pm

donincognito wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 3:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 2:06pm:

why do you continue with such unsubstantiated drivel. Quigley made the claim in a politically motivated rant. even your preferred FTTH is unable to prove 1Gb without significant upgrade and then what do you do in 2027 when we need 100Gbps which fibre CANNOT provide.

you'd believe anyone if they said something you liked.

Hey LW58, stop being wrong.

FTTH upgrades only require updating infrastructure at the nodes. Once the fibre is in the ground it doesnt need changing. Do you know why? (that was a rhetorical question, I know you dont know the answer)

Its because the signals are travelling as fast as possible, given our current understanding of science. Sure, you will need to change the magic boxes that you have no idea about, but they are all in simple to get at locations, and you dont need to rip up the street again.

But just one question. The LNPs plan involves Telstra just giving them the copper. DO you think this is likely to happen, given that one of the major reasons the ALP went with FTTH was because Telstra wanted too much money for their copper?

longloser wants to wait because he believes that one day there will be a cheaper alternative that is faster than light so we should all wait for it

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #372 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 8:28pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 2:06pm:

... Quigley made the claim in a politically motivated rant.

Repeating an assertion substantiates it - how?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 2:06pm:

even your preferred FTTH is unable to prove 1Gb without significant upgrade and then what do you do in 2027 when we need 100Gbps which fibre CANNOT provide.
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Umm ... OK, let's see you substantiate any of that. Roll Eyes

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