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Re: Won't be sad to see her lose
Reply #60 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:13am

matty wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 9:58am:

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ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:14pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

Maybe the thugs she stationed at the school decided to up the ante.

Hey Verge, I'm asking you this because I gather you are in Mirabella's electorate. I read something today that said that when Rudd delivered the sorry speech SM went about her electorate calling out to indigenous constituents "Not Sorry". Sounds extraordinary that someone would do such a thing. Have you ever heard of anything like that happening. Not very nice if it did, IMO

She didn't sit in Parliament because she said that were no official "stolen" children, IIRC.

If I were a politician at the time, there's no way that I would have sat in there either.

Only you and Mirrabella could be so arrogant and self indulgent to make such a matter more about you than as a matter the leaders of Australia making an attempt to right the wrongs of the past.

I think that you're overdramatising it just a bit.

Let me put it this way. If you ever arrived on my doorstop and tried to take my children from me in the name of "government policy", I would kill you. That is no dramalisation.

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Re: Won't be sad to see her lose
Reply #61 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:38am

Verge wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:13am:

matty wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 9:58am:

Verge wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

matty wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:19pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:14pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

Maybe the thugs she stationed at the school decided to up the ante.

Hey Verge, I'm asking you this because I gather you are in Mirabella's electorate. I read something today that said that when Rudd delivered the sorry speech SM went about her electorate calling out to indigenous constituents "Not Sorry". Sounds extraordinary that someone would do such a thing. Have you ever heard of anything like that happening. Not very nice if it did, IMO

She didn't sit in Parliament because she said that were no official "stolen" children, IIRC.

If I were a politician at the time, there's no way that I would have sat in there either.

Only you and Mirrabella could be so arrogant and self indulgent to make such a matter more about you than as a matter the leaders of Australia making an attempt to right the wrongs of the past.

I think that you're overdramatising it just a bit.

Let me put it this way. If you ever arrived on my doorstop and tried to take my children from me in the name of "government policy", I would kill you. That is no dramalisation.

Of course you would. I'm with you. And I dare say Matty would too. But have sympathy for people who were put through that. No not "me" "me' Me' me' Matty. Instead he would much rather dissect the finer points of what saying sorry means and whether that could somehow reflect adversely on him if someone were to understand the word sorry in a way that might suggest that he was somehow responsible even though he was not born yet. How absurd, how fabricated is that argument and what a transparent disguise for raceism it is.

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Re: Won't be sad to see her lose
Reply #62 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 2:23pm

matty wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 8:22pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 8:16pm:

McGowan will be twice the local member Sophie was, which wouldn't be hard.

Sophie tried to blame the greens, ALP, getup and vested interests instead of looking in the mirror for her terrible performance. The ALp did nothing in indi because it knew it hadno chance and wasn't going to spend a cent.

What was interesting, not one single tv or radio commercial for sussan ley, yet Sophie was bombarding them night and day for weeks

Really? If Sophie is elected, they will have the Minister for Industry as their local MP, ie, a frontbencher of an incumbent government.

And what does Sussan Ley have to do with the price of tea in China?

Indi wont have their member as a minister or on the front bench.

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Re: Won't be sad to see her lose
Reply #63 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 2:33pm

Verge wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 2:23pm:

matty wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 8:22pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 8:16pm:

McGowan will be twice the local member Sophie was, which wouldn't be hard.

Sophie tried to blame the greens, ALP, getup and vested interests instead of looking in the mirror for her terrible performance. The ALp did nothing in indi because it knew it hadno chance and wasn't going to spend a cent.

What was interesting, not one single tv or radio commercial for sussan ley, yet Sophie was bombarding them night and day for weeks

Really? If Sophie is elected, they will have the Minister for Industry as their local MP, ie, a frontbencher of an incumbent government.

And what does Sussan Ley have to do with the price of tea in China?

Indi wont have their member as a minister or on the front bench.

One win down, another one to go.

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Reply #64 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 3:07pm

One of my good friend's father, who I really don't think has ever voted anything other than for the Liberal Party - refused to vote for her on the weekend.

When you have a classic "Liberal" such as this man, big on principle, hard working small businessman - feeling he has nobody he could vote for in a Liberal camp - then you begin to realize how toxic this woman must be to people.

He is a walking example of why its gone from Liberal stronghold to potential loss.

Whilst I don't know her personally and I am not a fan of personally abusing politicians per se, she doesn't come across as being either particularly intelligent or a pleasant person.

I don't like any of Albanese or Bowen's policies but both strike me as decent blokes.
That's the difference.

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Re: Won't be sad to see her lose
Reply #66 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:55pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:09am:

matty wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 10:46pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 10:11pm:

matty wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:19pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:14pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

Maybe the thugs she stationed at the school decided to up the ante.

Hey Verge, I'm asking you this because I gather you are in Mirabella's electorate. I read something today that said that when Rudd delivered the sorry speech SM went about her electorate calling out to indigenous constituents "Not Sorry". Sounds extraordinary that someone would do such a thing. Have you ever heard of anything like that happening. Not very nice if it did, IMO

She didn't sit in Parliament because she said that were no official "stolen" children, IIRC.

If I were a politician at the time, there's no way that I would have sat in there either.

Why wouldn't you have sat there. Does your hatred really run that deep?

No, I just don't believe that the 'stolen' generation was necessarily a bad thing, nor am I sorry for something that I didn't do.

Are you a parent? I just cant believe that you could be a parent to say something so selfish, detached and cruel as that. As far back as 1915 a Victorian Parliamentarian described what was happening as "children being stolen" because children were being taken from their parents without any evidence that they were in need or being mistreated. Justice Wilson, formally of the High court, investigated this whole thing and when he wrote his report saw fit to include the word "Stolen" in the title of his report because he thought it accurately described what had happened. And after all that and the untold misery that people suffered having their families being torn apart, all you can think of was that it wasn't you so why should you say sorry. Its all about "me" with Liberals. How can you build a community with people who are all about "ME"

No, I am not a parent, I am only 23. The whole fact is that many Aboriginal children were being neglected, and were better off without their birth parents.

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Re: Won't be sad to see her lose
Reply #67 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:56pm

Verge wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:13am:

matty wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 9:58am:

Verge wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

matty wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:19pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:14pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

Maybe the thugs she stationed at the school decided to up the ante.

Hey Verge, I'm asking you this because I gather you are in Mirabella's electorate. I read something today that said that when Rudd delivered the sorry speech SM went about her electorate calling out to indigenous constituents "Not Sorry". Sounds extraordinary that someone would do such a thing. Have you ever heard of anything like that happening. Not very nice if it did, IMO

She didn't sit in Parliament because she said that were no official "stolen" children, IIRC.

If I were a politician at the time, there's no way that I would have sat in there either.

Only you and Mirrabella could be so arrogant and self indulgent to make such a matter more about you than as a matter the leaders of Australia making an attempt to right the wrongs of the past.

I think that you're overdramatising it just a bit.

Let me put it this way. If you ever arrived on my doorstop and tried to take my children from me in the name of "government policy", I would kill you. That is no dramalisation.

I wouldn't need to if you treated your kids well.

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Re: Won't be sad to see her lose
Reply #68 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:57pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:38am:

Verge wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:13am:

matty wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 9:58am:

Verge wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

matty wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:19pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:14pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

Maybe the thugs she stationed at the school decided to up the ante.

Hey Verge, I'm asking you this because I gather you are in Mirabella's electorate. I read something today that said that when Rudd delivered the sorry speech SM went about her electorate calling out to indigenous constituents "Not Sorry". Sounds extraordinary that someone would do such a thing. Have you ever heard of anything like that happening. Not very nice if it did, IMO

She didn't sit in Parliament because she said that were no official "stolen" children, IIRC.

If I were a politician at the time, there's no way that I would have sat in there either.

Only you and Mirrabella could be so arrogant and self indulgent to make such a matter more about you than as a matter the leaders of Australia making an attempt to right the wrongs of the past.

I think that you're overdramatising it just a bit.

Let me put it this way. If you ever arrived on my doorstop and tried to take my children from me in the name of "government policy", I would kill you. That is no dramalisation.

Of course you would. I'm with you. And I dare say Matty would too. But have sympathy for people who were put through that. No not "me" "me' Me' me' Matty. Instead he would much rather dissect the finer points of what saying sorry means and whether that could somehow reflect adversely on him if someone were to understand the word sorry in a way that might suggest that he was somehow responsible even though he was not born yet. How absurd, how fabricated is that argument and what a transparent disguise for raceism it is.

That's not the case, it's just that I am not at all sorry for something that I didn't do.

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Re: Won't be sad to see her lose
Reply #69 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 8:07pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 3:07pm:

One of my good friend's father, who I really don't think has ever voted anything other than for the Liberal Party - refused to vote for her on the weekend.

When you have a classic "Liberal" such as this man, big on principle, hard working small businessman - feeling he has nobody he could vote for in a Liberal camp - then you begin to realize how toxic this woman must be to people.

He is a walking example of why its gone from Liberal stronghold to potential loss.

Whilst I don't know her personally and I am not a fan of personally abusing politicians per se, she doesn't come across as being either particularly intelligent or a pleasant person.

Multiply this by several thousand, and that's one reason why Mirabella has recorded the biggest swing against a sitting Coalition member anywhere in the country. McGowan also ran a good campaign over six months or more.

If she performs well as a local member, she will be re-elected.

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Re: Won't be sad to see her lose
Reply #71 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 8:34pm

matty wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 4:55pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 10:09am:

matty wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 10:46pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 10:11pm:

matty wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:19pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:14pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

Maybe the thugs she stationed at the school decided to up the ante.

Hey Verge, I'm asking you this because I gather you are in Mirabella's electorate. I read something today that said that when Rudd delivered the sorry speech SM went about her electorate calling out to indigenous constituents "Not Sorry". Sounds extraordinary that someone would do such a thing. Have you ever heard of anything like that happening. Not very nice if it did, IMO

She didn't sit in Parliament because she said that were no official "stolen" children, IIRC.

If I were a politician at the time, there's no way that I would have sat in there either.

Why wouldn't you have sat there. Does your hatred really run that deep?

No, I just don't believe that the 'stolen' generation was necessarily a bad thing, nor am I sorry for something that I didn't do.

Are you a parent? I just cant believe that you could be a parent to say something so selfish, detached and cruel as that. As far back as 1915 a Victorian Parliamentarian described what was happening as "children being stolen" because children were being taken from their parents without any evidence that they were in need or being mistreated. Justice Wilson, formally of the High court, investigated this whole thing and when he wrote his report saw fit to include the word "Stolen" in the title of his report because he thought it accurately described what had happened. And after all that and the untold misery that people suffered having their families being torn apart, all you can think of was that it wasn't you so why should you say sorry. Its all about "me" with Liberals. How can you build a community with people who are all about "ME"

No, I am not a parent, I am only 23. The whole fact is that many Aboriginal children were being neglected, and were better off without their birth parents.

Read Justice Wilson's report if its the truth and not racism that drives you. One day when you grow up and are ever a father you might reflect back on your attitude today and realise how petty you were to deny those people a simply sorry for the horror of having their families torn asunder.

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Re: Won't be sad to see her lose
Reply #72 - Sep 12^th, 2013 at 9:59pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2013 at 8:34pm: