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Re: Should Bill Shorten resign ?
Reply #30 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:06am

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There is one sure way to reduce this kind of thinking, get rid of the ALP.

Abbott took over from Turnbull who had enough time to compete against Rudd and he failed. Looked fair to me.

Rudd was elected and was polling OK but the polls were sliding and the ALP knifed him.
Rudd did not even compete which showed him to be a Coward then.

Then there was a game of ducks and drakes played by more then just Rudd.

I am sure the Libs play games but they don't make anywhere near the headlines the ALP does, they also seem a far more democratic party, uniting behind there leader.

And which party had to change their rules re leadership and why ?

No political party is perfect and in general I think our politics are better then what we see in the UK where the ALP tried to import their class warfare strategy from or the US where everything is over the top or many other countries where guns determines who governs, so bitching about our relatively stable government because we let a few morons run the country is a bit rich .... the morons are now out of the picture mostly.

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Re: Should Bill Shorten resign ?
Reply #31 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:08am

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:56am:

MOTR

Are you for real ?

Gillard was the worse leader the ALP ever had by every measure and for an ALP person that is quite an achievement.

I think Shorten could be worse the signs are there.

Rudd was the worst ever. Then it was Gillard is worse than Rudd, but Rudd2 is worse than Gillard, now Shorten is worse than Rudd2 and no doubt Shorten+1 will be worse than Shorten. And so on it goes in the echo chamber.

Out here where you're allowed to think for yourself some of us are quite proud of Gillard's achievements.

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Re: Should Bill Shorten resign ?
Reply #32 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:10am

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:06am:

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There is one sure way to reduce this kind of thinking, get rid of the ALP.

Abbott took over from Turnbull who had enough time to compete against Rudd and he failed. Looked fair to me.

Rudd was elected and was polling OK but the polls were sliding and the ALP knifed him.
Rudd did not even compete which showed him to be a Coward then.

Then there was a game of ducks and drakes played by more then just Rudd.

I am sure the Libs play games but they don't make anywhere near the headlines the ALP does, they also seem a far more democratic party, uniting behind there leader.

And which party had to change their rules re leadership and why ?

No political party is perfect and in general I think our politics are better then what we see in the UK where the ALP tried to import their class warfare strategy from or the US where everything is over the top or many other countries where guns determines who governs, so bitching about our relatively stable government because we let a few morons run the country is a bit rich .... the morons are now out of the picture mostly.

the way I see it fred the libs play above the belt... the left go below...just look at every comment or thread that adelcrow is on.. filthy from beginning to end...and not one comment from a lefty to tell him he is disgusting...its the dregs it really is.. any wonder have almost no respect for a lefty..

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Re: Should Bill Shorten resign ?
Reply #33 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:14am

MOTR

When have you ever thought let alone for yourself.

The ALP rot peaked under Gillard, Rudd 2.0 was a very short period of incompetent campaigning but the polls don't lie Rudd did reverse the slid some what at least by about 2% over Gillard and for the duration of the Rudd 2.0 the ALP appeared more united then under Gillard. Most of the damage to the ALP occurred under Gillard's inept reign.

Gillard should go back to setting up dodgy slush funds for her union mates to buy houses with, its what she does best.

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Re: Should Bill Shorten resign ?
Reply #34 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:16am

MOTR wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:08am:

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 6:56am:

MOTR

Are you for real ?

Gillard was the worse leader the ALP ever had by every measure and for an ALP person that is quite an achievement.

I think Shorten could be worse the signs are there.

Rudd was the worst ever. Then it was Gillard is worse than Rudd, but Rudd2 is worse than Gillard, now Shorten is worse than Rudd2 and no doubt Shorten+1 will be worse than Shorten. And so on it goes in the echo chamber.

Out here where you're allowed to think for yourself some of us are quite proud of Gillard's achievements.

and nothing wrong with that at all..... but she did make a HUGE mistake.. with her THERE WILL BE NO... statements before the election.....it wasnt something people were going to forget in a hurry....only a rusted on...

then there was the blame Abbott for everything...syndrome. that kind of went pear shaped...as a PM we dont expect them to make personal attacks.....well I dont anyway...

she went to Rooty Hill we are still not sure what that was about.??? if it was to make an impression.... well it didnt work..

she wasnt strong enough to deal with the krudd he was there and all they did was ignore him...so he got worse..

that really isnt PM material.. sorry MOTR.

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Re: Should Bill Shorten resign ?
Reply #35 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:32am

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and nothing wrong with that at all..... but she did make a HUGE mistake.. with her THERE WILL BE NO... statements before the election.....it wasnt something people were going to forget in a hurry....only a rusted on...

then there was the blame Abbott for everything...syndrome. that kind of went pear shaped...as a PM we dont expect them to make personal attacks.....well I dont anyway...

she went to Rooty Hill we are still not sure what that was about.??? if it was to make an impression.... well it didnt work..

she wasnt strong enough to deal with the krudd he was there and all they did was ignore him...so he got worse..

that really isnt PM material.. sorry MOTR.

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Yes Hawke was quick to point out the stupidity of Gillard's strategy to regard Abbott with contempt.

In rugby you might get away with regarding a much weaker team with contempt but someone who is better then you ?
That is the dumbest idea ever.

Gillard failed the most in ad-hoc public appearances and her Rooty Hill exercise was a big joke, she went out of her way to avoid anyone in public.

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Re: Should Bill Shorten resign ?
Reply #36 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:38am

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:32am:

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and nothing wrong with that at all..... but she did make a HUGE mistake.. with her THERE WILL BE NO... statements before the election.....it wasnt something people were going to forget in a hurry....only a rusted on...

then there was the blame Abbott for everything...syndrome. that kind of went pear shaped...as a PM we dont expect them to make personal attacks.....well I dont anyway...

she went to Rooty Hill we are still not sure what that was about.??? if it was to make an impression.... well it didnt work..

she wasnt strong enough to deal with the krudd he was there and all they did was ignore him...so he got worse..

that really isnt PM material.. sorry MOTR.

cods

Yes Hawke was quick to point out the stupidity of Gillard's strategy to regard Abbott with contempt.

In rugby you might get away with regarding a much weaker team with contempt but someone who is better then you ?
That is the dumbest idea ever.

Gillard failed the most in ad-hoc public appearances and her Rooty Hill exercise was a big joke, she went out of her way to avoid anyone in public.

exactly what I pointed out to MOTR...it was broadcast far and wide she was going...and then.... and then....nothing until the day she left..

and that seemed to me.. to tell us the whole sorry story of her PMinstership...out of touch.

the thing is of course... krudds second act has made her look bloody good.. Grin

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Re: Should Bill Shorten resign ?
Reply #37 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:55am

RightSadFred wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 7:32am:

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and nothing wrong with that at all..... but she did make a HUGE mistake.. with her THERE WILL BE NO... statements before the election.....it wasnt something people were going to forget in a hurry....only a rusted on...

then there was the blame Abbott for everything...syndrome. that kind of went pear shaped...as a PM we dont expect them to make personal attacks.....well I dont anyway...

she went to Rooty Hill we are still not sure what that was about.??? if it was to make an impression.... well it didnt work..

she wasnt strong enough to deal with the krudd he was there and all they did was ignore him...so he got worse..

that really isnt PM material.. sorry MOTR.

cods

Yes Hawke was quick to point out the stupidity of Gillard's strategy to regard Abbott with contempt.

In rugby you might get away with regarding a much weaker team with contempt but someone who is better then you ?
That is the dumbest idea ever.

Gillard failed the most in ad-hoc public appearances and her Rooty Hill exercise was a big joke, she went out of her way to avoid anyone in public.

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......you might get away with regarding a much weaker team with contempt ........

My experience has been if I underestimate any opposition I have a real problem.
When my opponents underestimate me it steels my resolve to do well. It's an insult.

If anyone 'falls behind the pace' it's very hard work to catch up.

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Re: Should Bill Shorten resign ?
Reply #39 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 8:47am

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Gillard is a great example of putting ideology ahead of competence.

There are many roles in politics that don't require you to front up in public, Gillard should of either not entered the game at all or taken a more back room role.

It is very poor judgement on the ALP's part to let her be an MP let alone the leader and PM by default through knifing Rudd.

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RightSadFred Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2220 Gender:	Re: Should Bill Shorten resign ? Reply #40 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 8:52am Sprintcyclist Its a moot point Abbott by any measure was a seasoned MP and a very effective attack dog under Howard, what on earth made the ALP think he would be a push over ? I don't know if it was deliberate but Abbott made a brilliant decoy for the ALP attack which ignored the rest of the Liberal party.
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viewpoint Gold Member Offline A joke is a very serious thing. [Winston] Posts: 2209 Gender:	Re: Should Bill Shorten resign ? Reply #41 - Sep 11^th, 2013 at 9:14am No, he should commit harikari and put us all out of our misery.
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