RightSadFred wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:43am:


People based their votes on may issues ... the carbon tax, boat people, the economy, Gillard, Rudd, mining tax, PPS, the turmoil within the ALP, the surplus, the debt, pink batts, lies, mistrust, security   ...  for you to come out and pretend that everyone voted against labor because of the carbon tax just proves your head is stuck so far up your ar$e  you can see your eardrums.

As for the Greens, I used to like the greens, I even voted for a greens once, never again .... and it's not because of the carbon tax.

stryder wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 9:33am:


SO!!!! What Abbott wants and what Abbott wishes for doesn't mean that the people gave him a mandate for it.  You undermine your own power in a system which already gives you very little when you interpret a mandate so widely out of what happened in the last election.  Oh I can see a little tear in your eye and a tug to your heart strings when the Pollies tell you what a great democracy you have, but what do you have really.  A sH^t campaign based on character assassination, negativity and very little discussion of policy and then every 3 years you get to put a few numbers in a box against a persons name and afterwards they expect to say "See the majority of Australians authorised me to do everything I ever mentioned in the campaign". And all the while your joining in the chant "look at me, look at me I live in a great democracy where I decide, I'm free Im free".  Don't let them rob you of your power to have a genuine say in how your life and the lives of your family is run.  Many people who voted for Abbott in the House did not vote for him in the senate because they did not want the carbon tax repealed. Many people voted for Abbott because, for example, they believed the libs would be better economic managers but hate his proposed repeat of the carbon tax.  Looking at the election results will never tell you where the majority is with regard to any of these issues.  Our system is not designed to give or ascertain mandates.  If the pollies want a mandate then they should give us a referendum to decide.  An election and a referendum are 2 very different things and of course Abbott wants to blur that distinction and in doing so its your democracy and your power in it that he is taking from you. Same goes for when labor tries the same trick.

Kelty. The only person within ALP that has a brain. That is on message when it comes to how people have felt about labor.

Labor will have that feeling about them for a long time until they fess up and say sorry, we understand.

Tony will get rid of the price on carbon and yet electricity prices will continue to rise while Tony uses billions of taxpayers dollars to pay for his unfunded direct action plan.
Yep...you guessed it..everyone except for the big polluters lose under Tonys plan.

The day that Gillard said "There will be no carbon tax..." is the day she destroyed all moral arguments for a carbon tax that lefties could use

Shorten and Albo is banging on about how they believe in climate change to retake the moral argument - but that's not going to happen anytime soon

The Greens lost 25% of its voter base and Labor's primary vote is the lowest in 100 years tells us Aus voters don't like what Labor and Greens stand for

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 9:45am:


buzzanddidj

A turd is a turd whether its a fixed turd or a floating turd.

In fact its is one the ALP are projecting to go much higher