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ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 14 th, 2013 at 10:41am: stryder wrote on Sep 14 th, 2013 at 9:33am: John Smith wrote on Sep 14 th, 2013 at 9:23am: stryder wrote on Sep 14 th, 2013 at 9:11am: John Smith wrote on Sep 14 th, 2013 at 8:52am: stryder wrote on Sep 14 th, 2013 at 8:45am: I know there will be time ahead for labor figures and historians to debate why the australian labor party was defeated comprehensively last saturday, but I believe the no carbon tax pledge is one of the many factors that contributed to labors defeat, hands down along with other factors such as the boat people issue, spending taxpayers money into many wasteful policies and programs and the debt were accumulating, the shady and dark relationship between the unions and the labor party itself revealed through the craig thommo affair and others like the backstabbing nature of the ALP leadership itself yes, it was one of MANY factors ... but it was not the reason in itself. If the only thing labor had done wrong was to introduce the carbon tax, and there were no other issues, the libs would never have won the election ... And yet stupidity still runs wild in the ALP still as this week Labor member Mark Dreyfus has declared his party will oppose Tony Abbotts attempts to scrap the carbon tax, by stating that he got a mandate to defend good policy ? I MEAN HELLO, LABOR JUST GOT ITS @RSE KICKED LAST SATURDAY BY THE ELECTORATE AND HE SAYS THAT  Does labor want to learn from its mistakes or just be as dismissive of its mistakes like richard dreyfus and as you seem to be John smith ??? I'm not dismissive of anything, I just don't believe that Abbott won a mandate to do what he likes .. the people voted for a change in government, they also voted for a senate that would stop Abbott railroading his policies through ... why do you pretend that only the vote in the house of representatives matters and the vote in the senate can be dismissed ? Im not pretending anything, Abbott pretty much made it clear he wants to scrap the carbon tax he said it many times in slogans and sentences that people like yourself and lefties mocked, but Tony abbott won the trust of the australian people last saturday with that stated message repeated many times. Quite frankly i believe the senate needs to be reformed as others as suggested to clearly stop the confusion of the measure of any mandate itself, will that happen is another thing. SO!!!! What Abbott wants and what Abbott wishes for doesn't mean that the people gave him a mandate for it. You undermine your own power in a system which already gives you very little when you interpret a mandate so widely out of what happened in the last election. Oh I can see a little tear in your eye and a tug to your heart strings when the Pollies tell you what a great democracy you have, but what do you have really. A sH^t campaign based on character assassination, negativity and very little discussion of policy and then every 3 years you get to put a few numbers in a box against a persons name and afterwards they expect to say "See the majority of Australians authorised me to do everything I ever mentioned in the campaign". And all the while your joining in the chant "look at me, look at me I live in a great democracy where I decide, I'm free Im free". Don't let them rob you of your power to have a genuine say in how your life and the lives of your family is run. Many people who voted for Abbott in the House did not vote for him in the senate because they did not want the carbon tax repealed. Many people voted for Abbott because, for example, they believed the libs would be better economic managers but hate his proposed repeat of the carbon tax. Looking at the election results will never tell you where the majority is with regard to any of these issues. Our system is not designed to give or ascertain mandates. If the pollies want a mandate then they should give us a referendum to decide. An election and a referendum are 2 very different things and of course Abbott wants to blur that distinction and in doing so its your democracy and your power in it that he is taking from you. Same goes for when labor tries the same trick. Are you sure about that ? given the layout of the senate so far is looking like a collection of kooky in nature parties but dont share most the of lefts ideas and beliefs so far either and in the mix the greens vote suffered a fall of nearly quarter, add those maths and you might see you have a potential problem for labors attempt to stop the scrapping of the carbon tax.
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