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Reply #1020 - Nov 11^th, 2014 at 3:47pm

Karnal wrote in Reply #1015 - Nov 3rd, 2014 at 12:00pm

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The religion of Islam in Australia in no way threatens anyone's way of life. There is no basis for banning it.

161 Australian muslims who devoutly follow islam have taken an active part in the islamic terror death cult isil.

muslims and their apologists refuse to address the issue of islamic doctrine which causes muslims to become islamic terrorists.

You don't ban islam

You use freedom of speech, mockery, exposure, denigration and ridicule, to reveal the dangers islam poses to a normal 21st century civilized society.

Truth will destroy islam in the end.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95845 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1021 - Nov 11^th, 2014 at 4:17pm Sorry, is the objective to destroy terrorism or Islam? I’ve forgotten.
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Reply #1022 - Nov 11^th, 2014 at 7:54pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 11^th, 2014 at 4:17pm:

Sorry, is the objective to destroy terrorism or Islam?

I’ve forgotten.

moses wrote on Nov 11^th, 2014 at 3:47pm:

muslims and their apologists refuse to address the issue of islamic doctrine which causes muslims to become islamic terrorists.

You don't ban islam

You use freedom of speech, mockery, exposure, denigration and ridicule, to reveal the dangers islam poses to a normal 21st century civilized society.

Truth will destroy islam in the end.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95845 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1023 - Nov 11^th, 2014 at 9:16pm Masterful work, dear boy. Mormor’s recipe?
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Reply #1024 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 5:10pm

More 'spineless apologetics'.

Someone in the UK has a rant about the Palestinians ~ and instead of freedom of speech and the upholding of personal liberties to state ones political views ~ she gets pilloried as a 'racist' and someone who has been 'offensive' to the Sacred Cows of Islam.

What an utter cess-pit of cowards Britain is today. I'm sorry the Irish didn't blow up Westminster House while there was a full sitting of the sh!thouse insects they call 'politicians' nowadays.

State your piece and you can expect the sky to fall in on you.

Go off to fight with ISIS, and then return after you've done your 'beheading' and your killing of innocent people ~ and you're free to wander the streets with no penalties, no outrage, no official calls for you to be cited in a court of law for 'racism' or for being culturally 'offensive'.

What a weak-as-piss, limp-wristed bunch of wimps run the show in Britain nowadays. Pathetic and embarrassing.

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Reply #1025 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 7:34pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 5:10pm:

More 'spineless apologetics'.

Someone in the UK has a rant about the Palestinians ~ and instead of freedom of speech and the upholding of personal liberties to state ones political views ~ she gets pilloried as a 'racist' and someone who has been 'offensive' to the Sacred Cows of Islam.

What an utter cess-pit of cowards Britain is today. I'm sorry the Irish didn't blow up Westminster House while there was a full sitting of the sh!thouse insects they call 'politicians' nowadays.

State your piece and you can expect the sky to fall in on you.

Go off to fight with ISIS, and then return after you've done your 'beheading' and your killing of innocent people ~ and you're free to wander the streets with no penalties, no outrage, no official calls for you to be cited in a court of law for 'racism' or for being culturally 'offensive'.

What a weak-as-piss, limp-wristed bunch of wimps run the show in Britain nowadays. Pathetic and embarrassing.

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So I keep telling you, Herb. Good to see you’ve finally come round.

We’ll work together from now on, okay?

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Reply #1026 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 6:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 11^th, 2014 at 3:26pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 1:15pm:

It is an inescapable part of freedom of speech an freedom of religion.

Except we have laws against it.

Not only that, it is unlawful to express a particular opinion - our own AG told us.

FD will tell you all about that one, and how outraged mainstream Australia is about this. I'm pretty sure islam is to blame.

Gandalf do you support a ban on expressing that particular opinion?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49062 At my desk.	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1027 - Nov 28^th, 2014 at 10:05pm Where did everybody go?
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1028 - Nov 29^th, 2014 at 6:43am freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 10:05pm: Where did everybody go? Off to bid at those ISIS auctions where the captive females are going for a song.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41875	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1029 - Nov 30^th, 2014 at 10:46am Pope Francis prays alongside Grand Mufti in Istanbul’s Blue Mosque - just another of those "spineless apologetics, I suppose?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49062 At my desk.	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1030 - Nov 30^th, 2014 at 11:55am Thanks Brian. Yes, you are just like the pope.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41875	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1031 - Nov 30^th, 2014 at 11:58am freediver wrote on Nov 30^th, 2014 at 11:55am: Thanks Brian. Yes, you are just like the pope. I wear robes and a mitre and help hide Paedophiles from justice? FD, even for you, that's a pretty low blow.
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Reply #1032 - Dec 5^th, 2014 at 9:30pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2014 at 9:31am:

Note here that I am not at all saying that IS is necessarily a case of the oppressed defending against the oppressor - I don't see evidence of that at all. IS is clearly an aggressive and expansionist force in its own right. But it exists in a region, and a world of opposing aggressive and expansionist forces - and our own civilization is just as guilty. Thus we need to dispense with this nonsense that we are the force of good, combating the forces of evil - such that our involvement in these conflicts are entirely about liberating people from oppression. We are every bit as greedy and brutal and uncivilised as IS when it comes to aggressive control over other people, and maintaining the delusion that we are not is one of the key roadblocks to reaching a viable and fair resolution to these conflicts.

Gandalf what is a viable and fair resolution to our conflict with IS?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1033 - Dec 6^th, 2014 at 10:56am I don't really know FD - to be honest. Its what a call a complicated problem. But I am certain that reflexively assuming that the western intervention is necessarily always a) a force for good and b) a prerequisite for a viable settlement is one of the greatest roadblocks to these conflicts - as I said.
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Reply #1034 - Dec 6^th, 2014 at 7:23pm

I imagine it would appear very complicated to someone who thinks we are just as brutal, greedy and uncivilised as IS. How do you decide which terrorist organisation to donate your money to?

Brian is on a roll tonight...

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 4:13pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

Does that mean it is also racist?

Did you mention "race", FD? If you did, then it is. Roll Eyes

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 7:25pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 4:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 2:49pm:

Interesting article on the present state of play WRT to interfaith marriages in Indonesia.

As usual, when examining anything that Soren claims, he is telling only half the story. It appears there is movement in both directions - towards the opening up of recognition of interfaith marriages and of course, his claim that it's being closed down. Neither direction has prevalence yet.

As always, if we open up the myopic view that Soren is attempting to present us with of this issue, we discover that many religions forbid or don't recognise interfaith marriages and even within Islam (as always) this is a contentious issue and depends upon whom you consult on the issue. A good Wiki article on the topic is available here and I suggest that people read it to get a broader picture than Soren would prefer being seen. Roll Eyes

Sooooo....... is the current Indonesian law, by not recognising mixed marriages, secular or not secular?

Obviously, as one of my links makes clear, it is presently being interpretated in a non-secular way, Soren. However, on non-secular interpretation does not necessarily mean that the entire nation and it's political and legal system is necessarily totally non-secular.

One only has to look at the non-secular way in which Christianity has influence the Australian Marriage Act, declaring that marriage can only occur between a man and a woman for some unfathomable reason. Using your logic, that means Australia is a non-secular nation. Is that true? Roll Eyes

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