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Reply #1125 - Jan 26^th, 2015 at 10:43am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 12:27am:

Soren wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:32pm:

This greatest civilisation nonsense is really childish Gandy. How do you explain the 800 intervening years of decline under a strong caliphate (other than by claiming Muslim victimhood)?i

So the islamic empire wasn't great - because for 800 years after its heyday it was crap?

You really running with this Soren?

The question is - why did it decline so spectacularly.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49039 At my desk.	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1126 - Jan 26^th, 2015 at 11:15am The Caliphate was undone by the same thing that originally made it supreme. An unbending ideology of supremacy is inevitably going to turn on itself.
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1127 - Jan 26^th, 2015 at 11:25pm freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 11:15am: The Caliphate was undone by the same thing that originally made it supreme. An unbending ideology of supremacy is inevitably going to turn on itself. So that is what will destroy the US empire in the end?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1128 - Jan 27^th, 2015 at 12:28am freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 9:01am: The Roman empire vastly outdid the Caliphate economically and on political inclusiveness. The only thing the Caliphate was good at was keeping people down. It did not even come close to what had been before. Yes, and FD has the camel urine university to prove it.
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Reply #1129 - Jan 27^th, 2015 at 12:29am

Soren wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 10:43am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 12:27am:

Soren wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:32pm:

This greatest civilisation nonsense is really childish Gandy. How do you explain the 800 intervening years of decline under a strong caliphate (other than by claiming Muslim victimhood)?i

So the islamic empire wasn't great - because for 800 years after its heyday it was crap?

You really running with this Soren?

The question is - why did it decline so spectacularly.

Define "so spectacularly".

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #1130 - Jan 27^th, 2015 at 6:44am

Spineless apologetics.

These are the sort of 5th columnists who have infiltrated Britain's leading institutions.

They should be smoked out from where the British socialists have given them a Safe House and then be dealt with appropriately.

"The Parisian extremists who murdered 17 people in a series of attacks including the Charlie Hebdo massacre should not be called 'terrorists', a senior BBC executive has said.

Tarik Kafala, who runs BBC Arabic, said the term 'terrorist' was too 'loaded' and 'value-laden' to describe Said and Cherif Kouachi and their accomplice Amedy Coulibaly.

"He told The Independent: 'We try to avoid describing anyone as a terrorist or an act as being terrorist. What we try to do is to say that 'two men killed 12 people in an attack on the office of a satirical magazine'. That's enough.

'Terrorism is such a loaded word".

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Reply #1131 - Jan 27^th, 2015 at 7:45am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 6:44am:

Spineless apologetics.

These are the sort of 5th columnists who have infiltrated Britain's leading institutions.

They should be smoked out from where the British socialists have given them a Safe House and then be dealt with appropriately.

"The Parisian extremists who murdered 17 people in a series of attacks including the Charlie Hebdo massacre should not be called 'terrorists', a senior BBC executive has said.

Tarik Kafala, who runs BBC Arabic, said the term 'terrorist' was too 'loaded' and 'value-laden' to describe Said and Cherif Kouachi and their accomplice Amedy Coulibaly.

"He told The Independent: 'We try to avoid describing anyone as a terrorist or an act as being terrorist.

What we try to do is to say that 'two men killed 12 people in an attack on the office of a satirical magazine'. That's enough.

'Terrorism is such a loaded word"
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There is a general trend/inclination among all moslems resident in the West, to always seek to disassociate their faith [in media reports] from the violent actions and atrocities committed by moslems,
WHO THEMSELVES, INVARIABLY CLAIM THAT THEY ARE COMMITTING THESE ATROCITIES IN THE NAME OF ISLAM AND ALLAH!!!

And they [the moslems resident in the West, who are 'writing the script'] are largely succeeding, in this deflection of attention, away from ISLAM and moslem communities!

See the effect

.....of this corrupting 'influence' upon mainstream media reporting [on ISLAMIC terror acts], exposed, in this YouTube, at, goto 1m 00s and, goto 4m 05s

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Paris Shooting: What They're Not Telling You

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9J-JgmNtN4&bpctr=1421509769

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #1132 - Jan 27^th, 2015 at 8:21pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 7:45am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 6:44am:

Spineless apologetics.

These are the sort of 5th columnists who have infiltrated Britain's leading institutions.

They should be smoked out from where the British socialists have given them a Safe House and then be dealt with appropriately.

"The Parisian extremists who murdered 17 people in a series of attacks including the Charlie Hebdo massacre should not be called 'terrorists', a senior BBC executive has said.

Tarik Kafala, who runs BBC Arabic, said the term 'terrorist' was too 'loaded' and 'value-laden' to describe Said and Cherif Kouachi and their accomplice Amedy Coulibaly.

"He told The Independent: 'We try to avoid describing anyone as a terrorist or an act as being terrorist.

What we try to do is to say that 'two men killed 12 people in an attack on the office of a satirical magazine'. That's enough.

'Terrorism is such a loaded word"
.

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There is a general trend/inclination among all moslems resident in the West, to always seek to disassociate their faith [in media reports] from the violent actions and atrocities committed by moslems,
WHO THEMSELVES, INVARIABLY CLAIM THAT THEY ARE COMMITTING THESE ATROCITIES IN THE NAME OF ISLAM AND ALLAH!!!

And they [the moslems resident in the West, who are 'writing the script'] are largely succeeding, in this deflection of attention, away from ISLAM and moslem communities!

See the effect

.....of this corrupting 'influence' upon mainstream media reporting [on ISLAMIC terror acts], exposed, in this YouTube, at, goto 1m 00s and, goto 4m 05s

------>

Paris Shooting: What They're Not Telling You

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9J-JgmNtN4&bpctr=1421509769

That’s strange, Y. Only a couple of years ago, you were saying Moslems resident in the West would never ever seek to disassociate themselves from violent actions and atrocities. You said they would never ever do this.

Allah Uakbar, no?

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Reply #1133 - Jan 27^th, 2015 at 9:10pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 12:29am:

Soren wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 10:43am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 12:27am:

Soren wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:32pm:

This greatest civilisation nonsense is really childish Gandy. How do you explain the 800 intervening years of decline under a strong caliphate (other than by claiming Muslim victimhood)?i

So the islamic empire wasn't great - because for 800 years after its heyday it was crap?

You really running with this Soren?

The question is - why did it decline so spectacularly.

Define "so spectacularly".

I define it like you do: for 800 years after its heyday it was crap.

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Reply #1134 - Jan 27^th, 2015 at 9:22pm

Soren wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 12:29am:

Soren wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 10:43am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 12:27am:

Soren wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:32pm:

This greatest civilisation nonsense is really childish Gandy. How do you explain the 800 intervening years of decline under a strong caliphate (other than by claiming Muslim victimhood)?i

So the islamic empire wasn't great - because for 800 years after its heyday it was crap?

You really running with this Soren?

The question is - why did it decline so spectacularly.

Define "so spectacularly".

I define it like you do: for 800 years after its heyday it was crap.

Now now, old boy, that simply won’t do.

Always absolutely never ever, remember?

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Reply #1135 - Jan 27^th, 2015 at 9:25pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 12:28am:

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

The Roman empire vastly outdid the Caliphate economically and on political inclusiveness. The only thing the Caliphate was good at was keeping people down. It did not even come close to what had been before.

Yes, and FD has the camel urine university to prove it.

Do you disagree with what I claimed Gandalf?

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"He told The Independent: 'We try to avoid describing anyone as a terrorist or an act as being terrorist. What we try to do is to say that 'two men killed 12 people in an attack on the office of a satirical magazine'. That's enough.

'Terrorism is such a loaded word".

Kill is also a very loaded word. It makes it sound like it was not just some unfortunate accident. At the very least, they could put 'allegedly' in front of every verb.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1136 - Jan 27^th, 2015 at 9:35pm freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 9:25pm: Do you disagree with what I claimed Gandalf? Almost always. Do you have something specific in mind?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49039 At my desk.	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1137 - Jan 27^th, 2015 at 9:47pm The Roman empire vastly outdid the Caliphate economically and on political inclusiveness.
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Reply #1138 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 3:23am

elaborate on what you mean by "vastly outdid the Caliphate economically" please.

And no, the islamic caliphate was one of the most politically inclusive civilization the world has ever seen - far more so than the Romans. Just one example, when Jerusalem was conquered from the Romans in the 7th century, the islamic rulers immediately allowed the jews and christians back in after centuries of exclusion, and given autonomy over their jurisdictions.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #1139 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 7:55am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 3:23am:

elaborate on what you mean by "vastly outdid the Caliphate economically" please.

And no, the islamic caliphate was one of the most politically inclusive civilization the world has ever seen - far more so than the Romans. Just one example, when Jerusalem was conquered from the Romans in the 7th century, the islamic rulers immediately allowed the jews and christians back in after centuries of exclusion, and given autonomy over their jurisdictions.

How is it that these beginnings ended up with 32 Muslim countries now having the death penalty for anyone renouncing Islam?

You can quote choice bits of history from centuries ago that seem to showcase a tolerant theocracy, but these aberrant instances bear no relation to the realities that obtain today in a score of Muslim majority nations.

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