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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1215 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 3:51pm If you oppose Islam you are in fact 'anti Islam' If you have an obsessive fear of islam and you go on a murderous spree because of this obsessive fear - you are islamophobic. Detect the difference?
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Reply #1216 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 8:23pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 3:51pm:

If you oppose Islam you are in fact 'anti Islam'

If you have an obsessive fear of islam and you go on a murderous spree because of this obsessive fear - you are islamophobic.

Detect the difference?

No. It is not obsessive to fear any totalitarian ideology. On the contrary, fear of every aspect of a totalitarian ideology is the only natural response, followed by consistent, disciplined opposition to it, whether fascists, communist or theist. Islam is a totalitarian ideology. You must be mad for wanting it to rule everyone's lives.

"Obsessive fear of Islam" (Islamophobia) is a BS idea and a sinister, grinning cliche you and other Muslims constantly deploy because you have no rational argument to demonstrate that Islam is not totalitarian. It's a crappy, shop-soiled sloganeering appeal to the Muslim victimhood psychosis. It's bollocks. The only thing Muslims are victims of is other Muslims and Islamic ideology.

Brevik didn't kill Muslims. He was pissed of with the political class of his own country, own race, own culture. He was pissed off with his own people not seeing and actually encouraging the creeping Islamisation of the West and Norway in particular. He was pissed off with his own people buying the 'Islam is the victim' nonsense.

For these reasons he did not target Muslims. He did not blame Islam for wanting to spread and take over Norway and the West and make it all part of the Ummah. He was pissed off with his own people for giving Islam a pass to do what what Islam has always been doing.

SO you can't call his murderous rampage an "Islamophobic" crime. No Muslims were killed or hurt in that particular rage, and they weren't even blamed by Brevik for what they are. It was not a murder spree aimed at intimidating Muslims but at intimidating the Norwegian political class.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1217 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 9:00pm Hmmm so I gather you don't consider slaughtering close to 100 people because of a fear of islam as obsessive? Interesting.
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Reply #1218 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 9:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Hmmm so I gather you don't consider slaughtering close to 100 people because of a fear of islam as obsessive?

Interesting.

Slaughtering non-muslims is not islamophobic.
You are not always the victims. Your elbowing yourself to the head of the victim queue even when no Muslims are hurt is unseemly and obsessive.

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Reply #1219 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 10:10pm

Still having trouble with the simple fact that he acted out of an obsession over Islam I see.

Curious indeed. I can understand it from Baron, but you...?

If I have an obsessive fear of rabid dogs and I kill the people who are about to open the cage and let them loose on me - are you going to play this same retarded routine and pretend I didn't act out of fear of the dogs?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95783 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1220 - Feb 25^th, 2015 at 7:58am Anders Breivik, lone terrorist who shot several people as payback for letting in the Muselman, is not Islamophobic. Now that’s innovative. The old boy’s got a new one. Actually, scrap that. It’s old boy post # 3: the soft bigotry of low expectations. You almost had us, old chap.
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Reply #1221 - Feb 25^th, 2015 at 8:39am

spineless apologetics

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The inevitable and final fate of those who will always seek to UNCRITICALLY appease and pander to the insistent demands of moslems.

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Just look at any moslem majority jurisdiction in the world today, to see where a culture of 'bending the knee' to VICIOUS THUGS AND MURDERERS must inevitably lead a nation of people.

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http://thereligionofpeace.com/

ISLAMIC LAW teaches - EVERY MOSLEM - that murdering those who are not moslems [i.e. those who reject ISLAM], is a lawful act.

That 'precept' of faith is mainstream within ISLAM.

ISIS know it.

Al-Qaeda know it.

The Saudis know it.

And EVERY moslem who is living among us, here in Australia, knows it.

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

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"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

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Reply #1222 - Feb 25^th, 2015 at 10:47am

Yadda wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 8:39am:

spineless apologetics

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The inevitable and final fate of those who will always seek to UNCRITICALLY appease and pander to the insistent demands of moslems.

All Muslims Yadda or just some rather insistent ones who can't take "No!" for an answer?

Seems to me you have only a binary manner of thinking, either off or on. No 50 shades of grey there! Grin

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Reply #1223 - Feb 25^th, 2015 at 3:51pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 10:10pm:

Still having trouble with the simple fact that he acted out of an obsession over Islam I see.

Curious indeed. I can understand it from Baron, but you...?

If I have an obsessive fear of rabid dogs and I kill the people who are about to open the cage and let them loose on me - are you going to play this same retarded routine and pretend I didn't act out of fear of the dogs?

Contain the dogs. they are not responsible for being rabid. Keep them locked away.

But if someone deliberately lets them out, he can expect to be held responsible.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1224 - Feb 25^th, 2015 at 3:52pm Yadda wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 8:39am: http://thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/inflame-situation.jpg Brilliant! Mustn't inflame the situation.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1225 - Feb 25^th, 2015 at 6:28pm Soren wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 3:51pm: But if someone deliberately lets them out, he can expect to be held responsible. Of course. Its beside the point though. I am still acting out of fear of the dogs.
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Reply #1226 - Feb 25^th, 2015 at 10:26pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 6:28pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 3:51pm:

But if someone deliberately lets them out, he can expect to be held responsible.

Of course. Its beside the point though. I am still acting out of fear of the dogs.

And you would be mad not to fear rabid dogs. It's not irrational. Holding the guy who lets them loose responsible for letting them loose is not rabid-dogophobia.
It's holding someone responsible for acting irresponsibly when he could have acted otherwise.
You are not holding the dogs responsible because they cannot do otherwise, even if you, naturally, fear their bite.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1227 - Feb 26^th, 2015 at 7:51am "Mainstream" niqabis and bearded numpties in pajama oppose assimilation into Western society.
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Reply #1228 - Feb 26^th, 2015 at 9:48am

Soren wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 10:26pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 6:28pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 3:51pm:

But if someone deliberately lets them out, he can expect to be held responsible.

Of course. Its beside the point though. I am still acting out of fear of the dogs.

And you would be mad not to fear rabid dogs. It's not irrational. Holding the guy who lets them loose responsible for letting them loose is not rabid-dogophobia.
It's holding someone responsible for acting irresponsibly when he could have acted otherwise.
You are not holding the dogs responsible because they cannot do otherwise, even if you, naturally, fear their bite.

You are trying to reason with a Muslim. It will not work.

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Reply #1229 - Feb 26^th, 2015 at 10:10am

issuevoter wrote on Feb 26^th, 2015 at 9:48am:

Soren wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 10:26pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 6:28pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 3:51pm:

But if someone deliberately lets them out, he can expect to be held responsible.

Of course. Its beside the point though. I am still acting out of fear of the dogs.

And you would be mad not to fear rabid dogs. It's not irrational. Holding the guy who lets them loose responsible for letting them loose is not rabid-dogophobia.
It's holding someone responsible for acting irresponsibly when he could have acted otherwise.
You are not holding the dogs responsible because they cannot do otherwise, even if you, naturally, fear their bite.

You are trying to reason with a Muslim.

It will not work.

Truer words were never spoken.

And it is not merely about seeking to 'reason' with, or being 'reasonable' towards, 'the moslem'.

How can a person have a meaningful [and peaceful] relationship with another, when that other, is continually misrepresenting himself/his position ?

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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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"What makes Allah happy?
Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."

Please watch this YT...

Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims

goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0

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"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."

Mr Yunus is a moslem.

Mr Yunus is a follower of ISLAM.

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Darwin's Muslim leaders and NT police discuss hijab harassment and racism at community meeting
105.7 ABC Darwin
By Emilia Terzon

.....Darwin's Islamic community has gathered to address concerns about the harassment of women in religious dress in the Northern Territory.

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.....Mr Razi [the event's moderator] said the event helped reinforce the importance of cross-community collaboration to tackle Islamophobia.

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.....Mr Razi, an 18 year-old medical student originally born in Saudi Arabia, described his faith as a peaceful religion.

"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means submitting your will to God, so you acquire peace through it," he said.

"When I'm following its teachings, I know that my own actions are in line with what my creator wants, and hence I am at peace with myself, my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimin...

"ISLAM is peace."

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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