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Reply #1290 - Jul 29^th, 2015 at 7:04pm

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Most nazis don't believe their ideology/religion is peaceful and tolerant and deeply personal spiritual journey.

Perhaps that is why it won't last as long as Islam. Or maybe it is the inverse.

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You sure that would simply exacerbate the already fractious nature of Muslims in general and result in even more dead?

Yes (no).

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Not really but I'm more accepting of people who are peaceful and law abiding than Nazis who seek to kill and break the law.

Ah, so you would be an apologist for Nazis who obey the law? Good-o. The nazis are all about the rule of law.

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Perhaps that is why I don't like your attitudes towards Muslims?

You don't appear to know what they are. I'm sure you'll figure it out one day.

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The whole point of Nazism is that it is violent. It turned violence into a social and political creed, if not a form of secular religion.

Yes, completely different to Islam.

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Thats why when the war ended Germany pretty much went straight back to being a modern democracy-because the majority of the people didnt give two sheets either way who was running the show-they just went on living their lives.

This is true. Hitler needed his thousand year Reich to really ingrain it into the fabric of society, and give the apologists a reason to apologise.

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I don't know how they impressed him so much, but to me they are just another large group of people, with all the nutcases and saints that your gonna get if you round up a large enough sample size.

They do have one thing in common though, don't they?

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #1291 - Jul 30^th, 2015 at 3:10pm

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:

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Not really but I'm more accepting of people who are peaceful and law abiding than Nazis who seek to kill and break the law.

Ah, so you would be an apologist for Nazis who obey the law? Good-o. The nazis are all about the rule of law.

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Perhaps that is why I don't like your attitudes towards Muslims?

You don't appear to know what they are. I'm sure you'll figure it out one day.

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The whole point of Nazism is that it is violent. It turned violence into a social and political creed, if not a form of secular religion.

Yes, completely different to Islam.

Completely!!
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Here's the thing, though - neither Islam, nor Nazism, nor Stalinism tolerate questioning.

“Assiduous and frequent questioning is indeed the first key to wisdom... for by doubting we come to inquiry; through inquiring we perceive the truth...”
― Pierre Abélard, Sic Et Non

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #1292 - Jul 30^th, 2015 at 3:13pm

Soren wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 3:10pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:

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Not really but I'm more accepting of people who are peaceful and law abiding than Nazis who seek to kill and break the law.

Ah, so you would be an apologist for Nazis who obey the law? Good-o. The nazis are all about the rule of law.

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Perhaps that is why I don't like your attitudes towards Muslims?

You don't appear to know what they are. I'm sure you'll figure it out one day.

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The whole point of Nazism is that it is violent. It turned violence into a social and political creed, if not a form of secular religion.

Yes, completely different to Islam.

Completely!!
Cheesy

Here's the thing, though - neither Islam, nor Nazism, nor Stalinism tolerate questioning.

Nor does Christianity Soren. Grin

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49170 At my desk.	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1293 - Jul 30^th, 2015 at 6:39pm You'll struggle to find a place dominated by Christians where you can get in trouble for questioning Christianity. In most places dominated by Muslims you will be lucky to keep your head. Do you think this might have something to do with the different examples set by Jesus and Muhammed? Or is it all GWB's fault?
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Reply #1294 - Jul 30^th, 2015 at 7:43pm

|dev|null wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 3:13pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 3:10pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:

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Not really but I'm more accepting of people who are peaceful and law abiding than Nazis who seek to kill and break the law.

Ah, so you would be an apologist for Nazis who obey the law? Good-o. The nazis are all about the rule of law.

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Perhaps that is why I don't like your attitudes towards Muslims?

You don't appear to know what they are. I'm sure you'll figure it out one day.

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The whole point of Nazism is that it is violent. It turned violence into a social and political creed, if not a form of secular religion.

Yes, completely different to Islam.

Completely!!
Cheesy

Here's the thing, though - neither Islam, nor Nazism, nor Stalinism tolerate questioning.

Nor does Christianity Soren. Grin

There is no other religion, no other set of ideas, religious or otherwise, that is more self-reflective and more self-critical than Christianity. These are its essence.

The very idea of self-reflection and self-evaluation comes from Christianity.

SO once again, no points for your answer, you are as always, completely wrong.

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Reply #1295 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 1:04am

Soren wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 7:43pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 3:13pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 3:10pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:

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Not really but I'm more accepting of people who are peaceful and law abiding than Nazis who seek to kill and break the law.

Ah, so you would be an apologist for Nazis who obey the law? Good-o. The nazis are all about the rule of law.

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Perhaps that is why I don't like your attitudes towards Muslims?

You don't appear to know what they are. I'm sure you'll figure it out one day.

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The whole point of Nazism is that it is violent. It turned violence into a social and political creed, if not a form of secular religion.

Yes, completely different to Islam.

Completely!!
Cheesy

Here's the thing, though - neither Islam, nor Nazism, nor Stalinism tolerate questioning.

Nor does Christianity Soren. Grin

There is no other religion, no other set of ideas, religious or otherwise, that is more self-reflective and more self-critical than Christianity. These are its essence.

The very idea of self-reflection and self-evaluation comes from Christianity.

SO once again, no points for your answer, you are as always, completely wrong.

And yet, the old boy claims to be a Christian - sorry, Lutheran.

He may be less self-reflective than a mushroom, but at least he’s a Freudian mushroom.

Miam miam.

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #1296 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 1:09am

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 6:39pm:

You'll struggle to find a place dominated by Christians where you can get in trouble for questioning Christianity. In most places dominated by Muslims you will be lucky to keep your head.

Do you think this might have something to do with the different examples set by Jesus and Muhammed? Or is it all GWB's fault?

You’ve obviously never heard of the Vatican, FD. It’s a little country where they get priests and laypeople in trouble for questioning Christianity.

They’ve stopped chopping off heads. These days, they use an old trick called ex-communication.

Cunning, no? You should try it for yourself.

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1297 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:04am freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 6:39pm: You'll struggle to find a place dominated by Christians where you can get in trouble for questioning Christianity. Never been to the mid-west in the USA or Canada have you FD?
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Reply #1298 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:08am

Soren wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 7:43pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 3:13pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 3:10pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:

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Not really but I'm more accepting of people who are peaceful and law abiding than Nazis who seek to kill and break the law.

Ah, so you would be an apologist for Nazis who obey the law? Good-o. The nazis are all about the rule of law.

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Perhaps that is why I don't like your attitudes towards Muslims?

You don't appear to know what they are. I'm sure you'll figure it out one day.

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The whole point of Nazism is that it is violent. It turned violence into a social and political creed, if not a form of secular religion.

Yes, completely different to Islam.

Completely!!
Cheesy

Here's the thing, though - neither Islam, nor Nazism, nor Stalinism tolerate questioning.

Nor does Christianity Soren. Grin

There is no other religion, no other set of ideas, religious or otherwise, that is more self-reflective and more self-critical than Christianity.

Not even Buddhism? Grin

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These are its essence.

Not according to the Catholic Church. Grin

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The very idea of self-reflection and self-evaluation comes from Christianity.

Except in other religions... Grin

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SO once again, no points for your answer, you are as always, completely wrong.

Sorry, your Islamophobia prevents me from considering your opinion as valid Soren! Grin

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"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #1299 - Aug 1^st, 2015 at 1:02pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 10:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 9:33pm:

Do you not see a significant difference between the life and teachings of Jesus vs Muhammed?

In detail, yes but not in kind and I'm not sure how that's relevant. The thing is what has grown up around them is religion which has been passed down through the ages and employed by religious people doing the kind of things that religious people do

So the teachings of Muhammed and Jesus are irrelevant to the religions of Islam and Christianity?

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 10:06pm:

Islam can be evil, if interpreted in a particular way, Issuevoter. Just as Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, you name it. It can also be quite good. It all depends on what the believers believe and how they act, Issuevoter. That you characterise an entire religion of 1.6 billion believers as "evil" shows that you're thinking in stereotypical ideas, rather than reality.

So now we cannot discuss Islam as an ideology, only as a group of 1.6 billion people?

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They’ve stopped chopping off heads. These days, they use an old trick called ex-communication.

Do you have a problem with this Karnal?

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Never been to the mid-west in the USA or Canada have you FD?

Yes I have. It is the place where you are most likely to hear people say things like "I may not agree with or like what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". Pretty much the opposite of Islam.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96110 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1300 - Aug 1^st, 2015 at 1:35pm If you’re asking if I take issue with the notion of papal infallability, FD, why yes. I believe I do.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49170 At my desk.	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1301 - Aug 1^st, 2015 at 2:08pm How's your head? Still attached?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96110 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1302 - Aug 1^st, 2015 at 4:14pm I think so. Where’s the 2007 FD’s head? There’s a rumour that ISIS got him.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1303 - Aug 1^st, 2015 at 4:31pm Abu has it.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96110 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1304 - Aug 1^st, 2015 at 5:54pm Abu, please give back FD’s head. The fate of the free world depends on it. The freeeeedoms of decent white people everywhere.are at stake here.
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