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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1305 - Aug 1^st, 2015 at 6:17pm FD 2007 was a spineless apologist K. Freeeeeeeeeedom is much better served without him
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95845 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1306 - Aug 1^st, 2015 at 9:12pm So why doesn’t FD put him in the Wiki? You tell me that.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1307 - Aug 1^st, 2015 at 10:48pm \|dev\|null wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:08am: Sorry, your Islamophobia prevents me from considering your opinion as valid Soren! Code for you having no reasoned response and thereby losing the argument. All you have is demented smileys.
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Reply #1308 - Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 8:39pm

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 7:28pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Pho there are some interesting surveys of opinions of Muslims from around the world done by the Pew centre. It makes for eye-opening reading.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 12:06pm:

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His family repeatedly described him as violent and mentally ill; his mental health had been called into question going back decades, and he spent time in a hospital receiving psychiatric care.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/25/us/lafayette-theater-shooting-john-houser.html...

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He was a man with serious mental illness, depressed and conflicted, a devout Muslim who regularly violated his faith by smoking marijuana and drinking heavily, but not anti-American or connected to ISIS.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/family-blames-pot-alcohol-chattanooga-shooters-troubles...

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Martin John Bryant[1] (born 7 May 1967) is an Australian mass murderer who pleaded guilty to murdering 35 people and injuring 23 others in the Port Arthur massacre

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On 13 November 2006, Bryant was moved into Hobart's Wilfred Lopes Centre,[3] a secure mental health unit run by the Tasmanian Department of Health and Human Services. The 35-bed unit for inmates with serious mental illness is staffed with doctors, nurses, and other support workers....Bryant was diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome while incarcerated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant

A common practice is for people to pick through atrocities committed by people who purportedly were muslim and declare Islam as the common denominator.

Here's a novel exercise: can anyone see any 'common denominator' between the three individuals mentioned above? Does it change the way we view these 'common denominators?' Is it possible to say that in this case all three were affected by their mental illness, and that therefore in the one case of the muslim - Islam shouldn't be cited as the cause?

Is it possible that it can be misleading to sift through and find all the perpetrators who have an association with Islam - and in the process ignore other commonalities they may have had with other mass murderers - which may better explain their behaviour?

Put simply, can it be misleading, or even wrong to hold up two (or more) separate atrocities committed by muslims and declare "Islam is the common denominator - therefore Islam to blame"?

What is the common denominator for the 100 or so young Aussies currently raping and pillaging their way across the middle east?

ah.......
They are Human?

They share this trait with all the Murderers, sex offenders and tax evaders currently locked up over here(which greatly exceed the 100 mark). whats your point?

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small penises?

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Reply #1309 - Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 11:59am

Soren wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 10:48pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:08am:

Sorry, your Islamophobia prevents me from considering your opinion as valid Soren! Grin

Code for you having no reasoned response and thereby losing the argument.

No, its recognition that you are beyond being convinced Soren. Like all religious zealots you have closed your eyes, your ears and above all else, your mind to anything other than hatred for all matters Islam and all Muslims!!! Grin

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All you have is demented smileys.

Nope. I have a great deal more. As far as you're concerned though, the smileys indicated my derision of your Islamophobia! Grin

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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.

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Reply #1310 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:54pm

Guess what tops google's rankings when you search for spineless apologetics?

Aussie wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

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If Nazis started gassing Jews in Germany once more, you could say it is their right to continue without our interference.

Yeas. They are a Sovereign Nation and can do as they please. We did, right here in Australia, even before we were a Sovereign Nation.

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Reply #1311 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 12:26am

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:54pm:

Guess what tops google's rankings when you search for spineless apologetics?

Aussie wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

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If Nazis started gassing Jews in Germany once more, you could say it is their right to continue without our interference.

Yeas. They are a Sovereign Nation and can do as they please. We did, right here in Australia, even before we were a Sovereign Nation.

I thought brian would have topped it,not surprised it's another leftist.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #1312 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:57pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:04pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:52pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

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If Nazis started gassing Jews in Germany once more, you could say it is their right to continue without our interference.

Yeas. They are a Sovereign Nation and can do as they please. We did, right here in Australia, even before we were a Sovereign Nation.

Is this really how you would respond to Nazis gassing Jews again? It is their right to gas Jews?

If that became legal in Germany, (do you reckon it ever could freediver?) I'd have no right to interfere without breaching its Sovereignty.

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Reply #1313 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:33pm

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:54pm:

Guess what tops google's rankings when you search for spineless apologetics?

Aussie wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

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If Nazis started gassing Jews in Germany once more, you could say it is their right to continue without our interference.

Yeas. They are a Sovereign Nation and can do as they please. We did, right here in Australia, even before we were a Sovereign Nation.

Really? When I checked, it was a link to the last page of this Thread............not that I care less.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49062 At my desk.	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1314 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:44pm Tell us Aussie, how bad would it have to get before you would be willing to support the offering of an opinion?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95845 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1315 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:46pm freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:44pm: Tell us Aussie, how bad would it have to get before you would be willing to support the offering of an opinion? How did the US establish democracy in Iraq, FD?
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Reply #1316 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:51pm

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Tell us Aussie, how bad would it have to get before you would be willing to support the offering of an opinion?

Everyone is entitled to my opinion freediver, and I am never afraid to give it. Have I missed something......failed to respond to you.............ever?

Karnal wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:44pm:

Tell us Aussie, how bad would it have to get before you would be willing to support the offering of an opinion?

How did the US establish democracy in Iraq, FD?

Your opinion if you please, freediver.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49062 At my desk.	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1317 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:54pm Should we be telling Nazis not to gas Jews Aussie?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95845 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1318 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:13pm freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:54pm: Should we be telling Nazis not to gas Jews Aussie? Oh look, FD's asking another question. Is this what you mean by spineless apologetics, FD?
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Reply #1319 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:35pm

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:54pm:

Should we be telling Nazis not to gas Jews Aussie?

Sure, why not? But, if it has been made Law in Germany (what chance is there of that freediver?) I have no right to interfere without ripping up the notion of Sovereignty.

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Oh look, FD's asking another question.

Is this what you mean by spineless apologetics, FD?

I reckon that freediver's complete disregard and disrespect for what anyone says here will be his eventual downfall. But, what would I know? He can always call Tel Aviv HQ for my cold blooded slaughter. We are all just a phone call away from obliteration.

"We are all friends here, no?"

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