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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49069 At my desk.	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1320 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:37pm Quote: Sure, why not? But, if it has been made Law in Germany (what chance is there of that freediver?) I have no right to interfere without ripping up the notion of Sovereignty. Is that more important Aussie?
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Reply #1321 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:52pm

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

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Sure, why not? But, if it has been made Law in Germany (what chance is there of that freediver?) I have no right to interfere without ripping up the notion of Sovereignty.

Is that more important Aussie?

Ah, but we did interfere in Iraq, FD - a "liberation" you wholeheartedly support.

Don't you think it's important to say why?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49069 At my desk.	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1322 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:57pm Can you quote me Karnal?
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Reply #1323 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:21pm

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:57pm:

Can you quote me Karnal?

Why would I need to quote you, FD? I'm asking you.

You can quote yourself in your answer if you want, but I think it would be best if you start from scratch. Just say what's on your mind. Quote references if you like, but it would be best to summarize your thoughts in your own words.

You've written answers before, haven't you?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49069 At my desk.	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1324 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:27pm You might want to quote me to demonstrate that you don't just make it up as you go along. You are wrong, by the way, and I have said so plenty of times here. But I am not going to find a quote for you.
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Reply #1325 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 10:08pm

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:27pm:

You are wrong, by the way, and I have said so plenty of times here. But I am not going to find a quote for you.

Ee-gad, you don't support the "liberation" of Iraq? Then we agree!

You don't have to find a quote for me, FD. I believe you. Now that we know this, there's no need to answer all your questions about it. You know the answers already. In fact, now that you've set the precedent, there's no need to answer your questions at all. All we have to do is say we've answered all that and tell you to find a quote.

Thanks, FD. What a relief.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49069 At my desk.	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1326 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:40am Do you understand now that I was asking you whether you support the establishment of democracy, not the invasion?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95879 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1327 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 10:39am freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:40am: Do you understand now that I was asking you whether you support the establishment of democracy, not the invasion? How did the US establish democracy in Iraq?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49069 At my desk.	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1328 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 1:11pm Karnal wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 10:39am: freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:40am: Do you understand now that I was asking you whether you support the establishment of democracy, not the invasion? How did the US establish democracy in Iraq? So tell us about the psychology of OCD again Karnal.
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Reply #1329 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 2:04pm

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 1:11pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 10:39am:

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:40am:

Do you understand now that I was asking you whether you support the establishment of democracy, not the invasion?

How did the US establish democracy in Iraq?

So tell us about the psychology of OCD again Karnal.

It’s strange, FD, every time I ask this question, you keep changing the subject.

How did we establish democracy in Iraq? You know my answer. What’s yours?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49069 At my desk.	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1330 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 2:07pm Except of course for the time I did answer the question. You said my answer was wrong, and that was the end of it.
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Reply #1331 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 2:18pm

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Except of course for the time I did answer the question. You said my answer was wrong, and that was the end of it.

Because you gave G’s answer in an attempt to avoid the question. I’m asking for your answer, FD. Do you want me to quote you on thinking for yourself and having the courage to say what you think?

You go first.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49069 At my desk.	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1332 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 2:31pm So I was wrong because I agreed with G? Why didn't you just say that when I asked why i was wrong?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95879 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1333 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:46pm freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 2:31pm: So I was wrong because I agreed with G? Why didn't you just say that when I asked why i was wrong? You won’t say it, will you?
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Reply #1334 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 8:22pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:46pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 2:31pm:

So I was wrong because I agreed with G? Why didn't you just say that when I asked why i was wrong?

You won’t say it, will you?

The answer is that there is more democracy in Iraq and other Muslim societies when there is less Islam.

But the Islamists use the democratic process to eliminate democracy - see Iraq and also Egypt, Labia, Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, Somalia, etc, etc.

The West has collectively fallen for the nonsense that Islam is a religion of peace and that Muslims want what secular liberal Westerners do.

It is time to isolate Muslim countries and let them fight their religious, sectarian wars to exhaustion. Sell them all the weapons and let them have their fill of sectarian violence - that's what they want and that;s what they will have, no matter what anyone says or does.

They need to kill each other until their realise that it's not worth killing each other. TELLING them not to do it doesn't work. They must learn from their own experiences.

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