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Reply #1365 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 2:16pm

freediver wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 2:01pm:

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Since the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the United States has sought to encourage
institutional developments in Iraq that would contribute to national reconciliation and
mitigate sectarian and insurgent violence. In these reform efforts, including recent
“benchmarks,” the Bush administration has drawn on power-sharing and federalist
models. The purpose of these efforts is to overcome the political dilemmas associated
with the relative shift in power among the Sunni, Shia and Kurdish communities, and to
blunt the majoritarian features of the political system in particular. A review of the
theoretical and empirical literature suggests that the record of these institutional reforms
in mitigating violence and ending civil wars is not encouraging. A detailed history of
institutional reform efforts in Iraq shows that proposed institutional reforms have not
constituted an endogenous political equilibrium, have not been credible, or have had
perverse consequences. These findings suggest the limits on institutional reform and the
importance of alternative means of restraining violence.

Robinson and Acemoğlu would have a lot to say and that.

Karnal and Gandalf would just insist they should have let the Baathists run the place. Someone has to make the trains run on time.

Here’s FD showing he hasn’t even read the abstract.

Old boy, can you post the article? Your link isn’t working for me. We’ll have a little look-see and make up our minds on that, shall we?

Basing our opinions on abstracts is a little rash. Who knows? There might be something in the article about white man’s burden.

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Reply #1366 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 2:54pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 2:12pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 1:50pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 1:35pm:

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A detailed history of institutional reform efforts in Iraq shows that proposed institutional reforms... have not been credible, or have had perverse consequences.

Thanks, old boy, you’ve done it again.

Exactly - it was a naive dream to imagine that institutional reform was all that these people who are 'just like us' needed. Because they are nothing like us.

Your list of "reforms" were either not credible (like the redistribution of petroleum resources) or had perverse consequences (like de-Ba’athification). Your own quoted sources argue this.

Were you just showing G you can do a little research? Good work, dear boy, there’s that University of Balogney training showing.

But what they failed to impart, old chap, is that your sources should back up your argument. We don’t just quote a lot of words and hope no one reads them (apart from FD, of course). We keep an open.mind, do our reading, and base our argument on that.

This is, after all, the way we produce knowledge in the West. We base our argument on facts, not the other way around. If you don’t mind me saying, your own method is a tad unorthadox, but the truth always comes out in the end.

It is a jolly world, no?

Exactly.

We base our arguments on facts, not on PC fantasies like 'they are just like us'.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95896 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1367 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 3:49pm Do you want to post the article, old boy? We’ll reserve our judgement on the proposal that Iraqis are a different species until we’re read your research, okay?
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1368 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 7:39pm They are culturally different. Not biologically. Don't be such a twatty ALL the time.
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1369 - Feb 10^th, 2016 at 1:25pm Danes are culturally different, should we hang all of them too Soren? It'd make sense, afterall, you're the one who's screaming all the time about other people. Seems to me you're the troublemaker here!
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95896 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1371 - Feb 10^th, 2016 at 3:21pm \|dev\|null wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 1:25pm: Danes are culturally different, should we hang all of them too Soren? Well, no. The old boy still likes Danish, but don't worry. He'll assimilate in no time.
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Reply #1372 - Feb 11^th, 2016 at 11:43am

Black Orchid wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 3:12pm:

|dev|null wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 1:25pm:

Danes are culturally different, should we hang all of them too Soren? It'd make sense, afterall, you're the one who's screaming all the time about other people. Seems to me you're the troublemaker here! Cheesy

Are you a John Smith sock?

Nope. I see you're not willing to argue against my proposition. Are you a FD sock? Grin

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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1373 - Feb 12^th, 2016 at 10:01pm \|dev\|null wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 1:25pm: Danes are culturally different How so?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95896 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1374 - Feb 12^th, 2016 at 10:34pm Soren wrote on Feb 12^th, 2016 at 10:01pm: \|dev\|null wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 1:25pm: Danes are culturally different How so? Oppress the bastards.
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Reply #1375 - Feb 16^th, 2016 at 4:30am

John Smith wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 7:55am:

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 5:59am:

Ah, so you think I should refrain from physically assaulting Muslims while posting on this forum to establish an alibi?

now you're being deliberately obtuse

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 5:59am:

So if ISIS for example continued to grow by slaughtering non-Muslims, you would tell us to mind our own business?

yes

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 5:59am:

Muslims created ISIS John. Would you extend any of the responsibility to them?

rubbish. ISIS came about after western interference. Funny how many of the original leaders of ISIS were former Republican Guard officers. Imagine what would have happened if we didn't go into Iraq II

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Reply #1376 - Feb 16^th, 2016 at 9:08am

freediver wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 4:30am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 7:55am:

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 5:59am:

Ah, so you think I should refrain from physically assaulting Muslims while posting on this forum to establish an alibi?

now you're being deliberately obtuse

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 5:59am:

So if ISIS for example continued to grow by slaughtering non-Muslims, you would tell us to mind our own business?

yes

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 5:59am:

Muslims created ISIS John. Would you extend any of the responsibility to them?

rubbish. ISIS came about after western interference. Funny how many of the original leaders of ISIS were former Republican Guard officers. Imagine what would have happened if we didn't go into Iraq II

I'll make it even easier for you, FD.

The invasion of Iraq created ISIS as sure as night follows day.

How did Uncle establish democracy in Iraq?

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Reply #1377 - Feb 16^th, 2016 at 1:10pm

Soren wrote on Feb 12^th, 2016 at 10:01pm:

|dev|null wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 1:25pm:

Danes are culturally different

How so?

They are Danish. They speak Danish. They lived in Denmark. They have alien minds and they like to cook fiendish pastries which are too sweet and contain too much cream! Does that describe you? Grin

Now, instead of asking a question, why not answer the one I asked original? Or is that too hard for you? Cheesy

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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.

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Reply #1378 - Feb 16^th, 2016 at 1:46pm

|dev|null wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 12^th, 2016 at 10:01pm:

|dev|null wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 1:25pm:

Danes are culturally different

How so?

They are Danish. They speak Danish. They lived in Denmark. They have alien minds and they like to cook fiendish pastries which are too sweet and contain too much cream! Does that describe you? Grin

Good heavens, no. The old boy likes to eat pickled stool, lovingly made by Mormor back in the old country.

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Reply #1379 - Feb 16^th, 2016 at 6:05pm

|dev|null wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 12^th, 2016 at 10:01pm:

|dev|null wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 1:25pm:

Danes are culturally different

How so?

They are Danish. They speak Danish. They lived in Denmark. They have alien minds and they like to cook fiendish pastries which are too sweet and contain too much cream! Does that describe you? Grin

Now, instead of asking a question, why not answer the one I asked original? Or is that too hard for you? Cheesy

And what distinguishes Australians from, say, Muslim Arabs immigrants? Or the Chinese? Is it all just food???

Tell us more about the alien minds of the Muslims and the Chinese and the Africans.

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