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Reply #1500 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:08am

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Frank wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 16^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

Oh, no, Islam where it deserves to be condemned, gets condemned, just as do Muslims who deserve to be punished. Never let it be said that I'll stand in the way of a good punishing. However, it has to be deserved. You lot continually mistake "Islam" for anything that Muslims might do, no matter how much it is against the teachings of Islam. Roll Eyes

You have it back to front - all the 'extremists' are impeccably orthodox Islamic - look at many of the Islamic leaders in Australia.

How are they different in their beliefs from what Christianity claims it believes about homosexuality?

Australia Islamic leaders normally don't condemn Homosexuality any more than Christian leaders do, despite both agreeing they deserve death. Muslims, like most Christians, by and large, abide by the law, which affords to Gay people it's protection.

Perhaps instead of condemning people because of what their good books say, you should instead consider what they do. Or is that too hard for someone as prejudiced as you? Roll Eyes

I don't know if it has been noticed but homosexual, gay and lesbian rights have been forged and developed in Christian majority nations over the decades. not the Islamic ones

It is much safer for gays and lesbians to live and practice there same sex sexuality in nations with the judeo Christian based ethics than in most muslim nations where homosexuality is totally unacceptable.

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Reply #1501 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:17am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:02am:

Frank wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 16^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

Oh, no, Islam where it deserves to be condemned, gets condemned, just as do Muslims who deserve to be punished. Never let it be said that I'll stand in the way of a good punishing. However, it has to be deserved. You lot continually mistake "Islam" for anything that Muslims might do, no matter how much it is against the teachings of Islam. Roll Eyes

You have it back to front - all the 'extremists' are impeccably orthodox Islamic - look at many of the Islamic leaders in Australia.

How are they different in their beliefs from what Christianity claims it believes about homosexuality?

Australia Islamic leaders normally don't condemn Homosexuality any more than Christian leaders do, despite both agreeing they deserve death. Muslims, like most Christians, by and large, abide by the law, which affords to Gay people it's protection.

Perhaps instead of condemning people because of what their good books say, you should instead consider what they do. Or is that too hard for someone as prejudiced as you? Roll Eyes

Can you name the countries that execute homosexuals for homosexuality? Or that punish the crime of homosexuality?

Can you compare the body count of declared Christians throwing homosexuals off buildings then stoning them and declared Muslims doing the same?

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Reply #1502 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 10:12am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:02am:

Frank wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 16^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

Oh, no, Islam where it deserves to be condemned, gets condemned, just as do Muslims who deserve to be punished. Never let it be said that I'll stand in the way of a good punishing. However, it has to be deserved. You lot continually mistake "Islam" for anything that Muslims might do, no matter how much it is against the teachings of Islam. Roll Eyes

You have it back to front - all the 'extremists' are impeccably orthodox Islamic - look at many of the Islamic leaders in Australia.

How are they different in their beliefs from what Christianity claims it believes about homosexuality?

Australia Islamic leaders normally don't condemn Homosexuality any more than Christian leaders do, despite both agreeing they deserve death. Muslims, like most Christians, by and large, abide by the law, which affords to Gay people it's protection.

Perhaps instead of condemning people because of what their good books say, you should instead consider what they do. Or is that too hard for someone as prejudiced as you? Roll Eyes

Why shouldn't we talk about their religion and what it inspires people to do Brian? Would you say the same thing about Nazism? Would you defend Nazis from criticism up until they start breaking the law?

Is it because cornflakes are Christian but throwing gays off buildings is nuffin to do wiv Isalm?

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Reply #1503 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:52pm

stryder wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:08am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:02am:

Frank wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 16^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

Oh, no, Islam where it deserves to be condemned, gets condemned, just as do Muslims who deserve to be punished. Never let it be said that I'll stand in the way of a good punishing. However, it has to be deserved. You lot continually mistake "Islam" for anything that Muslims might do, no matter how much it is against the teachings of Islam. Roll Eyes

You have it back to front - all the 'extremists' are impeccably orthodox Islamic - look at many of the Islamic leaders in Australia.

How are they different in their beliefs from what Christianity claims it believes about homosexuality?

Australia Islamic leaders normally don't condemn Homosexuality any more than Christian leaders do, despite both agreeing they deserve death. Muslims, like most Christians, by and large, abide by the law, which affords to Gay people it's protection.

Perhaps instead of condemning people because of what their good books say, you should instead consider what they do. Or is that too hard for someone as prejudiced as you? Roll Eyes

I don't know if it has been noticed but homosexual, gay and lesbian rights have been forged and developed in Christian majority nations over the decades. not the Islamic ones

Despite the best efforts of Christian conservatives and Church leaders who have fought those gay rights every step of the way. Have you forgotten Cory Bernardi's declarations about Gay Marriage? The Bible declares that all "men who lie with men" deserve "death". Forgotten that?

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It is much safer for gays and lesbians to live and practice there same sex sexuality in nations with the judeo Christian based ethics than in most muslim nations where homosexuality is totally unacceptable.

"most Muslim nations"? Really? There are 50 Muslim majority nations around the world. 10 have declared Homosexuality as being punishable by Death. So, in reality, despite all your hyperbole, it is only one fifth of the world's Muslim majority nations which have reacted badly to Homosexuality (and I note, most of them are still using hang overs of Colonial Law). That any react badly to Homosexuality - a nature state of affairs - is abhorrent. However, don't forget, Homosexuality was only declared lawful in Australia as recently as 1994... Roll Eyes

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Reply #1504 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:54pm

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:17am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:02am:

Frank wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 16^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

Oh, no, Islam where it deserves to be condemned, gets condemned, just as do Muslims who deserve to be punished. Never let it be said that I'll stand in the way of a good punishing. However, it has to be deserved. You lot continually mistake "Islam" for anything that Muslims might do, no matter how much it is against the teachings of Islam. Roll Eyes

You have it back to front - all the 'extremists' are impeccably orthodox Islamic - look at many of the Islamic leaders in Australia.

How are they different in their beliefs from what Christianity claims it believes about homosexuality?

Australia Islamic leaders normally don't condemn Homosexuality any more than Christian leaders do, despite both agreeing they deserve death. Muslims, like most Christians, by and large, abide by the law, which affords to Gay people it's protection.

Perhaps instead of condemning people because of what their good books say, you should instead consider what they do. Or is that too hard for someone as prejudiced as you? Roll Eyes

Can you name the countries that execute homosexuals for homosexuality? Or that punish the crime of homosexuality?

Can you compare the body count of declared Christians throwing homosexuals off buildings then stoning them and declared Muslims doing the same?

Why should I bother, that it occurs at all is abhorrent. That Australia has learnt better is good but remember it is only recently that it was decriminalised and we still have people such as yourself and the other Christian conservatives who rail against it. Does that make you as bad as the conservative Muslims? Roll Eyes

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Reply #1505 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:13pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:52pm:

"most Muslim nations"? Really? There are 50 Muslim majority nations around the world. 10 have declared Homosexuality as being punishable by Death. So, in reality, despite all your hyperbole, it is only one fifth of the world's Muslim majority nations which have reacted badly to Homosexuality (and I note, most of them are still using hang overs of Colonial Law). That any react badly to Homosexuality - a nature state of affairs - is abhorrent. However, don't forget, Homosexuality was only declared lawful in Australia as recently as 1994... Roll Eyes

You are the most dreadful of mindless apologists.

The 10 Muslim countries that prescribe the death penalty for homos do so DESPITE the colonial, mellowing influence of the West.

You are a joke and caricature of the PC numpty. You cannot be real. Nobody can be as laughably, militantly ignorant as you and be real.

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Reply #1506 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:16pm

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:52pm:

"most Muslim nations"? Really? There are 50 Muslim majority nations around the world. 10 have declared Homosexuality as being punishable by Death. So, in reality, despite all your hyperbole, it is only one fifth of the world's Muslim majority nations which have reacted badly to Homosexuality (and I note, most of them are still using hang overs of Colonial Law). That any react badly to Homosexuality - a nature state of affairs - is abhorrent. However, don't forget, Homosexuality was only declared lawful in Australia as recently as 1994... Roll Eyes

You are the most dreadful of mindless apologists.

The 10 Muslim countries that prescribe the death penalty for homos do so DESPITE the colonial, mellowing influence of the West.

Yet they use Western colonial laws to allow them to persecute and kill gay people, Frank...

I'd recommend you read up on Gay law in the Third World. Fascinating reading.

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Reply #1507 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:18pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:52pm:

"most Muslim nations"? Really? There are 50 Muslim majority nations around the world. 10 have declared Homosexuality as being punishable by Death. So, in reality, despite all your hyperbole, it is only one fifth of the world's Muslim majority nations which have reacted badly to Homosexuality (and I note, most of them are still using hang overs of Colonial Law). That any react badly to Homosexuality - a nature state of affairs - is abhorrent. However, don't forget, Homosexuality was only declared lawful in Australia as recently as 1994... Roll Eyes

You are the most dreadful of mindless apologists.

The 10 Muslim countries that prescribe the death penalty for homos do so DESPITE the colonial, mellowing influence of the West.

Yet they use Western colonial laws to allow them to persecute and kill gay people, Frank...

I'd recommend you read up on Gay law in the Third World. Fascinating reading.

Do you yourself seriously believe the rubbish you post?

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Reply #1508 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:18pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:52pm:

"most Muslim nations"? Really? There are 50 Muslim majority nations around the world. 10 have declared Homosexuality as being punishable by Death. So, in reality, despite all your hyperbole, it is only one fifth of the world's Muslim majority nations which have reacted badly to Homosexuality (and I note, most of them are still using hang overs of Colonial Law). That any react badly to Homosexuality - a nature state of affairs - is abhorrent. However, don't forget, Homosexuality was only declared lawful in Australia as recently as 1994... Roll Eyes

You are the most dreadful of mindless apologists.

The 10 Muslim countries that prescribe the death penalty for homos do so DESPITE the colonial, mellowing influence of the West.

Yet they use Western colonial laws to allow them to persecute and kill gay people, Frank...

I'd recommend you read up on Gay law in the Third World. Fascinating reading.

No - they use SHARIA law, you mindless apologist. SHARIA law allows them to persecute and execute homos. NOT western law.

We do notice your dishonesty and stupidity, you know.

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Reply #1509 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:19pm

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:02am:

Frank wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1379233325/1491#1491 date=1466072398]

Oh, no, Islam where it deserves to be condemned, gets condemned, just as do Muslims who deserve to be punished. Never let it be said that I'll stand in the way of a good punishing. However, it has to be deserved. You lot continually mistake "Islam" for anything that Muslims might do, no matter how much it is against the teachings of Islam. Roll Eyes

You have it back to front - all the 'extremists' are impeccably orthodox Islamic - look at many of the Islamic leaders in Australia.

How are they different in their beliefs from what Christianity claims it believes about homosexuality?

Australia Islamic leaders normally don't condemn Homosexuality any more than Christian leaders do, despite both agreeing they deserve death. Muslims, like most Christians, by and large, abide by the law, which affords to Gay people it's protection.

Perhaps instead of condemning people because of what their good books say, you should instead consider what they do. Or is that too hard for someone as prejudiced as you? Roll Eyes

Why shouldn't we talk about their religion and what it inspires people to do Brian? Would you say the same thing about Nazism? Would you defend Nazis from criticism up until they start breaking the law?

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Is it because cornflakes are Christian but throwing gays off buildings is nuffin to do wiv Isalm?

It has nothing to do with mainstream, regular, everyday, Australian Islam, FD, no matter how you attempt to dress it up as such.

If has about as much to do with mainstream, regular, every non-Australian Islam as it does with Christianity. When you get around to condemning Christians and their religion as vehemently as you do Islam and Muslims, FD, I might listen to you. Roll Eyes

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Reply #1510 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:20pm

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:52pm:

"most Muslim nations"? Really? There are 50 Muslim majority nations around the world. 10 have declared Homosexuality as being punishable by Death. So, in reality, despite all your hyperbole, it is only one fifth of the world's Muslim majority nations which have reacted badly to Homosexuality (and I note, most of them are still using hang overs of Colonial Law). That any react badly to Homosexuality - a nature state of affairs - is abhorrent. However, don't forget, Homosexuality was only declared lawful in Australia as recently as 1994... Roll Eyes

You are the most dreadful of mindless apologists.

The 10 Muslim countries that prescribe the death penalty for homos do so DESPITE the colonial, mellowing influence of the West.

Yet they use Western colonial laws to allow them to persecute and kill gay people, Frank...

I'd recommend you read up on Gay law in the Third World. Fascinating reading.

No - they use SHARIA law, you mindless apologist. SHARIA law allows them to persecute and execute homos. NOT western law.

We do notice your dishonesty and stupidity, you know.

Except, we've noticed yours as well, Frank.

If you knew anything about anti-Gay laws in the Islamic world, you'd find most of them date back to Western colonial legislation. Funny that. Roll Eyes

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Reply #1511 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:20pm

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:52pm:

"most Muslim nations"? Really? There are 50 Muslim majority nations around the world. 10 have declared Homosexuality as being punishable by Death. So, in reality, despite all your hyperbole, it is only one fifth of the world's Muslim majority nations which have reacted badly to Homosexuality (and I note, most of them are still using hang overs of Colonial Law). That any react badly to Homosexuality - a nature state of affairs - is abhorrent. However, don't forget, Homosexuality was only declared lawful in Australia as recently as 1994... Roll Eyes

You are the most dreadful of mindless apologists.

The 10 Muslim countries that prescribe the death penalty for homos do so DESPITE the colonial, mellowing influence of the West.

You are a joke and caricature of the PC numpty. You cannot be real. Nobody can be as laughably, militantly ignorant as you and be real.

Spot on.

I think he's a troll.

There can be no other conclusion.

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Reply #1512 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:21pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:52pm:

"most Muslim nations"? Really? There are 50 Muslim majority nations around the world. 10 have declared Homosexuality as being punishable by Death. So, in reality, despite all your hyperbole, it is only one fifth of the world's Muslim majority nations which have reacted badly to Homosexuality (and I note, most of them are still using hang overs of Colonial Law). That any react badly to Homosexuality - a nature state of affairs - is abhorrent. However, don't forget, Homosexuality was only declared lawful in Australia as recently as 1994... Roll Eyes

You are the most dreadful of mindless apologists.

The 10 Muslim countries that prescribe the death penalty for homos do so DESPITE the colonial, mellowing influence of the West.

Yet they use Western colonial laws to allow them to persecute and kill gay people, Frank...

I'd recommend you read up on Gay law in the Third World. Fascinating reading.

Do you yourself seriously believe the rubbish you post?

Do you yourself seriously believe the rubbish you post, Lisa? Roll Eyes

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Reply #1513 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:21pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:20pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:52pm:

"most Muslim nations"? Really? There are 50 Muslim majority nations around the world. 10 have declared Homosexuality as being punishable by Death. So, in reality, despite all your hyperbole, it is only one fifth of the world's Muslim majority nations which have reacted badly to Homosexuality (and I note, most of them are still using hang overs of Colonial Law). That any react badly to Homosexuality - a nature state of affairs - is abhorrent. However, don't forget, Homosexuality was only declared lawful in Australia as recently as 1994... Roll Eyes

You are the most dreadful of mindless apologists.

The 10 Muslim countries that prescribe the death penalty for homos do so DESPITE the colonial, mellowing influence of the West.

Yet they use Western colonial laws to allow them to persecute and kill gay people, Frank...

I'd recommend you read up on Gay law in the Third World. Fascinating reading.

No - they use SHARIA law, you mindless apologist. SHARIA law allows them to persecute and execute homos. NOT western law.

We do notice your dishonesty and stupidity, you know.

Except, we've noticed yours as well, Frank.

If you knew anything about anti-Gay laws in the Islamic world, you'd find most of them date back to Western colonial legislation. Funny that. Roll Eyes

No they don't. That is another lie.

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Reply #1514 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:22pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

It has nothing to do with mainstream, regular, everyday, Australian Islam, FD, no matter how you attempt to dress it up as such.

You still haven't told us how you differentiate between the 'majority' and the 'tiny minority' BEFORE the former turns into the latter by shooting up a bar, a newspaper office, a Christmas party, etc.

I say there is no difference between the beliefs of the 'vast majority' and the 'tony minority'. You say there is.

EXPLAIN.

You can't. You are lying.

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