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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #1740 - Apr 12^th, 2017 at 6:20pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 10:30pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 10:20pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 10:04pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 9:58pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

Johnnie wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 9:38pm:

200,000,000 to the north of us have different views.

Homosexuality is legal in Indonesia, except in Aceh and South Sumatra.

Sounds like a wonderful place, if homosexuality is only illegal in two states.

That ignores it was not so long ago when homosexual activity was a criminal offence in Australia. You did know that, didn't you Effendi, and you just momentarily forgot, yeas?

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How does it "ignore it" Aussie? Am I supposed to insert a moral equivalence into every post I make, just in case it makes Islam look bad?

Why not? If you are gonna chuck stones, get outside a glass house.

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Reply #1741 - Apr 17^th, 2017 at 10:09pm

I wonder if there are any other verses in the Koran that Mothra is afraid to offer an opinion on.

freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 12:37pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 11:16am:

freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 11:10am:

mothra wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 10:30am:

freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 10:22am:

mothra wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 10:16am:

freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 10:15am:

mothra wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 10:03am:

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 9:51pm:

So why do Mothra, Aussie, Brian and the rest do this elaborate tapdance, but Greg has no problem calling it for what it is?

I have twice on this thread alone unreservedly condemned any suggestion of violence towards women.

Not answering your question was not a "tap-dance", FD. It was a particularly stupid question.

As was pointed out to you.

I recall seeing you squirm rather than give an opinion on the Koranic command to beat disobedient women. Of course you oppose violence towards women. Except when it comes from the Koran of course. Then the tapdancing begins.

I didn't squirm at all. I said it wasn't a command.

I see you still son't understand that.

You are still squirming, and you have still not offered an opinion on it, regardless of the label we give it.

The tapdancing continues. Who knows what elaborate footwork we will see from Mothra in the next post? My bet is an unreserved condemnation of violence towards women, but more excuses for why he cannot possibly criticise the Koran for commanding Muslims to beat women.

I'm not squirming in the slightest.

You are asking a stupid question. I am not going to answer a stupid question.

I have, despite what you say, openly criticised any suggestion of violence towards women twice on this thread alone. Wherever or whoever it comes from.

Just because i'm not jumping through the dodgy hoop you're holding tremourously for me doesn't mean i'm "tap-dancing".

You see FD, i hold people to account for what they say. Precisely what they say. We are dealing with the written word here. I say what i mean and i men what i say. I hold everyone on here to the same principle.

So you refuse to give your opinion on the Koranic command to beat disobedient women, at the same as insisting you will openly criticise any suggestion of violence towards women, regardless of where it comes from?

Focus FD. Do try. I'm firmly of the opinion that you're not very bright but even you should be able to follow this.

If it were a "command", then all Muslim men would beat "disobedient" women, yes?

I reiterate. It's a stupid question.

I have unreservedly given my opinion on any suggestion of beating women.

You're just having a little tanty because i don't agree with the terminology you are not so subtly trying to bully me into agreeing with.

Even by your standards, this is pathetic.

Use any label you want. We did earlier in the thread. It made no difference. Either way, you are afraid to offer your opinion on it.

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #1743 - May 8^th, 2017 at 7:33pm

freediver wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 6:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

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Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights?
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7 nations where atheism is punishable by death.
All 7 establish Islam as the state religion.
Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-...

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

Brian Ross wrote on May 8^th, 2017 at 12:55am:

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2017 at 7:52am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 4^th, 2017 at 11:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2017 at 8:00pm:

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Gandalf has a life outside this forum.

Gandalf refuses to explain his beliefs.

Anytime there's a hard question he runs away.

You mean like Freediver does? How interesting, Bobby. You have evidence to support this or will we see more obfuscation from you? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Brian what did you mean when you said we have no right or even ability to criticise other nations or religions?

Ah, misquoting again, hey, FD? Nothing new under the sun as far as you're concerned, is there?

Why not quote what I actually said, instead of what you believe I said? Might make a change. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

How am I misrepresenting you Brian?

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #1744 - May 8^th, 2017 at 11:55pm

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2017 at 7:33pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 6:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

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Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights?
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7 nations where atheism is punishable by death.
All 7 establish Islam as the state religion.
Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-...

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

Brian Ross wrote on May 8^th, 2017 at 12:55am:

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2017 at 7:52am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 4^th, 2017 at 11:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2017 at 8:00pm:

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Gandalf has a life outside this forum.

Gandalf refuses to explain his beliefs.

Anytime there's a hard question he runs away.

You mean like Freediver does? How interesting, Bobby. You have evidence to support this or will we see more obfuscation from you? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Brian what did you mean when you said we have no right or even ability to criticise other nations or religions?

Ah, misquoting again, hey, FD? Nothing new under the sun as far as you're concerned, is there?

Why not quote what I actually said, instead of what you believe I said? Might make a change. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

How am I misrepresenting you Brian?

See the highlighted pronouns, FD. You have claimed I said, "we". I did not. I only used the word "I". Are you going to be man enough to apologise? Or will you simply ignore this mistake, deliberate or undeliberate, I'll leave that to you? Tsk, tsk. Misrepresenting what another poster said. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Roll Eyes

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #1745 - May 9^th, 2017 at 7:29am

Brian_Ross, ISLAMOPHILE, said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379197632/34#34
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I make no excuses for those [ISLAMIC jurisdiction] nations and their laws, BV.

I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.

It is terrible but I also recognise

I have no right or ability to criticise them

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I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

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IMAGE....

'But that is their culture.
.....I have no right to judge them.'

Q.
In a 'cosmopolitan world', should every culture we 'encounter' really be inviolate, and free from all moral scrutiny ?

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IMAGE....

Political Correctness is being used as a weapon,
which is always unleashed against, and aimed at, LIGHT AND TRUTH.

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #1746 - May 9^th, 2017 at 8:37pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 8^th, 2017 at 11:55pm:

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2017 at 7:33pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 6:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

Quote:

Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights?
Quote:

7 nations where atheism is punishable by death.
All 7 establish Islam as the state religion.
Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-...

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

Brian Ross wrote on May 8^th, 2017 at 12:55am:

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2017 at 7:52am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 4^th, 2017 at 11:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2017 at 8:00pm:

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Gandalf has a life outside this forum.

Gandalf refuses to explain his beliefs.

Anytime there's a hard question he runs away.

You mean like Freediver does? How interesting, Bobby. You have evidence to support this or will we see more obfuscation from you? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Brian what did you mean when you said we have no right or even ability to criticise other nations or religions?

Ah, misquoting again, hey, FD? Nothing new under the sun as far as you're concerned, is there?

Why not quote what I actually said, instead of what you believe I said? Might make a change. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

How am I misrepresenting you Brian?

See the highlighted pronouns, FD. You have claimed I said, "we". I did not. I only used the word "I". Are you going to be man enough to apologise? Or will you simply ignore this mistake, deliberate or undeliberate, I'll leave that to you? Tsk, tsk. Misrepresenting what another poster said. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Roll Eyes

Why would you have a different set of rights to everyone else?

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #1747 - May 9^th, 2017 at 10:10pm

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 8:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 8^th, 2017 at 11:55pm:

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2017 at 7:33pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 6:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

Quote:

Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights?
Quote:

7 nations where atheism is punishable by death.
All 7 establish Islam as the state religion.
Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-...

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

Brian Ross wrote on May 8^th, 2017 at 12:55am:

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2017 at 7:52am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 4^th, 2017 at 11:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2017 at 8:00pm:

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Gandalf has a life outside this forum.

Gandalf refuses to explain his beliefs.

Anytime there's a hard question he runs away.

You mean like Freediver does? How interesting, Bobby. You have evidence to support this or will we see more obfuscation from you? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Brian what did you mean when you said we have no right or even ability to criticise other nations or religions?

Ah, misquoting again, hey, FD? Nothing new under the sun as far as you're concerned, is there?

Why not quote what I actually said, instead of what you believe I said? Might make a change. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

How am I misrepresenting you Brian?

See the highlighted pronouns, FD. You have claimed I said, "we". I did not. I only used the word "I". Are you going to be man enough to apologise? Or will you simply ignore this mistake, deliberate or undeliberate, I'll leave that to you? Tsk, tsk. Misrepresenting what another poster said. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Roll Eyes

Why would you have a different set of rights to everyone else?

Though so. Not man enough to apologise. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #1748 - May 9^th, 2017 at 10:28pm

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 8:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 8^th, 2017 at 11:55pm:

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2017 at 7:33pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 6:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

Quote:

Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights?
Quote:

7 nations where atheism is punishable by death.
All 7 establish Islam as the state religion.
Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-...

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

Brian Ross wrote on May 8^th, 2017 at 12:55am:

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2017 at 7:52am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 4^th, 2017 at 11:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2017 at 8:00pm:

Quote:

Gandalf has a life outside this forum.

Gandalf refuses to explain his beliefs.

Anytime there's a hard question he runs away.

You mean like Freediver does? How interesting, Bobby. You have evidence to support this or will we see more obfuscation from you? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Brian what did you mean when you said we have no right or even ability to criticise other nations or religions?

Ah, misquoting again, hey, FD? Nothing new under the sun as far as you're concerned, is there?

Why not quote what I actually said, instead of what you believe I said? Might make a change. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

How am I misrepresenting you Brian?

See the highlighted pronouns, FD. You have claimed I said, "we". I did not. I only used the word "I". Are you going to be man enough to apologise? Or will you simply ignore this mistake, deliberate or undeliberate, I'll leave that to you? Tsk, tsk. Misrepresenting what another poster said. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Roll Eyes

Why would you have a different set of rights to everyone else?

FD, I'm curious. Why would you have a different set of ethical standards to everyone else?

Why do you uphold the right to tell porkies?

Why do you deny this to others?

Please explain.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48834 At my desk.	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1749 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 12:55pm John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:21pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate? a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.
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Reply #1750 - Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:56am

Moriaty wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 9:51pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 9:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 3:41pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 12:34pm:

Muhammad was just as fond of slaughtering all sorts of pagans as he was of slaughtering Jews.

mention the deaths caused by the church during the crusades and dark ages to FD and you get some variation of the 'that was then, we've moved on argument'.

that doesn't stop him going on about how many mohammed killed Cheesy

John would you agree that Muhammad has more to do with Islam than the crusades have to do with Christianity?

Given that Islam grew out of Christianity I fail to see how you differentiate between one murderous religious nut expanding his territory and murderous thieves using religion as the excuse to expand their territory? Roll Eyes

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #1752 - Aug 24^th, 2017 at 3:56pm

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Given that Islam grew out of Christianity

islam grew out of the mind of a practicing moon god worshiper muhammad.

muhammad reinvented his moon god as being a monotheistic deity who hated all people who did not worship him. allah urges muslims to kill unbelievers.

muhammad kept many of the pagan customs of the ancient moon god cult.

It is true that muhammad made a pathetic attempt at plagiarizing the works of the Jews and Christians, however he emphatically stated their holy books were corrupt.

he preached that Christians were to be murdered for stating / believing that Christ was the son of allah. (this is an outright lie as Christians all believed that Christ was the son of Y.H.W.H.) so Christians have been slaughtered by muslims simply because muhammad was a liar.

islam is todays' version of the ancient moon god cult which muhammad belonged to.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74257 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #1753 - Aug 24^th, 2017 at 3:59pm ahh ... so now FD's run away from the other three threads he's got going with the same comment, and moved it onto here are you worried your bullshit would have been obvious to everyone if you had kept the comment in the original thread where it was made, so people could see the unedited version fd?
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Reply #1754 - Aug 24^th, 2017 at 4:07pm

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islam is todays' version of the ancient moon god cult which muhammad belonged to.

Pre-Islam Arabia was a comparatively tolerant society in which all manner of pagans, christians and jews lived together, despite their differences. They had longstanding traditions of putting aside their differences and coming together in collective worship.

Muhammad turned Mecca and the Kaaba, the very centre of this peaceful tradition of collectivism, into the centrepiece of his new, absolutely hostile monoculture. Mecca and surrounds were soon ethnically cleansed of all non-Muslims and remained that way to this day. Muslims still make pilgrimages there today to celebrate the intolerance of Islam.

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