Brian Ross wrote Reply #1889 - Yesterday at 5:39pm

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I repeat:

1/. There was no genocide, people died as they lacked immunity to introduced diseases.

2/. The deeds of the Spanish Conquistador were at the behest of men who made their own rules and regulations, which were 100% at odds with the teachings of Christ, as such they are not acts of Christianity.

Then you tell us to Disregard Christs' view on Christianity in order to validate your false premisses.

Actually you have conceded to my point:

1/.Men who commit atrocities are Disregarding Christs' view on Christianity.

2/. muslims who commit atrocities are obeying the teachings of muhammad and the verses in the qur'an.

Brian Ross Reply #1891 - Today at 2:02pm

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Indeed they did, but were their religious beliefs in line with what Christ taught his followers?

History shows that they acted contrary to the teachings of Jesus.

However the Christian doctrine has certain dogma which describes such men and their deeds:

Matthew 15:9  But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Matthew 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Matthew 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

So it is very clear, commit iniquities, you're not a Christian.

Once again my two statements stand:

1/. There was no genocide, people died as they lacked immunity to introduced diseases.

2/. The deeds of the Spanish Conquistador were at the behest of men who made their own rules and regulations, which were 100% at odds with the teachings of Christ, as such they are not acts of Christianity.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 19^th, 2017 at 7:03pm:


Some Catholics did bad things, centuries ago.  Some Muslims do bad things today.   The entire religious movements were not guilty of those crimes.   My point is that those Muslims are not unique, something many Islamophobes refuse to acknowledge because to do so would prevent their own point being driven home.  History shows that some Muslims are simply one of a long line of religious fruitcakes which exist amongst humanity's numbers.   

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 19^th, 2017 at 8:30pm:

They aren't unique, sure, but they are current.  And that's what most of the regressives seem to ignore.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 19^th, 2017 at 8:38pm:

No. You are regressive by ignoring the pain inflicted by Islam on people, and trying to justify the current illiberal state of Islam.  especialyl with such argument as, 'But catholics did it a few hundreds years ago!'

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 19^th, 2017 at 8:48pm:


I do not ignore it.  I acknowledge that it inflicts equal pain to that of all religions, Alevine.   Islam is not a "Borg"-like creation.   It is made up of ~1.6 billion individuals who all have their own views on their own religious beliefs.   To try and state that Muslims in Australia or Indonesia or Malaysia are identical in their views on their religion and it's beliefs to the Muslims in Saudi Arabia is ludicrous.   It's like trying to claim that the Christian beliefs of Australians are the same as the Christian beliefs of Europeans or Latin/South Americans or Oceania.   Everybody takes what they like from their religion's belief system.

As to the claim that I have made the statement that, "But catholics did it a few hundreds years ago!" is just as fascicle.  I have made statements which Islamophobes like Moses challenge.  I have defended those views - backing them invariably with references.  When he does the same, rather than referring us to his fairy story book, I may believe him.  That those references I use may start out during the 16th century is immaterial.  They are relevant to the discussion underway.   What occurred then, shapes today.   It's like a Christian stating that the existence of Chris is immaterial to their religion.   

Brian Ross wrote Reply #1895 - Yesterday at 8:34pm

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You simply can't post an honest statement, can you Brian?

I have previously posted the following

Reply #1892 - Yesterday at 7:01pm; Indeed they did, but were their religious beliefs in line with what Christ taught his followers?

Reply #1888 2/. The deeds of the Spanish Conquistador were at the behest of men who made their own rules and regulations, which were 100% at odds with the teachings of Christ, as such they are not acts of Christianity.

I have challenged your description of these past deeds as being the fruits of Christianity.

They are the upshot  of Catholicism

I have pointed out to you that these atrocities were the result of men who departed from the teachings of Christ and followed the commandments of men.

Now you've falsely claimed that I believe the catholics were not guilty of these crimes, why?

Everybody on earth knows that the Catholics over the centuries have committed the foulest of deeds in the name of their religion, my contention (which has you on the backfoot) is that these deeds prohibit them from being called Christians, they disobeyed Christ.

I disputed your claims of genocide by using your own link which clearly says the indigenous people died from introduced diseases.

So your attempt at excusing todays' muslim atrocities with false versions of past catholic events has proven to be a failure. 

moses wrote on Sep 20^th, 2017 at 8:15pm:


As I have said before, Moses. Catholicism is Christian.  It is one denomination - the major denomination - amongst many denominations all describing themselves as "Christian".

The Churches are all nearly equally of the crimes ascribed to the Catholic church.   They have all basically supported genocide, massacre, imperialism, etc.  at one time or another.   As much as you keep trying to disown it, claiming it is not representative of Christ's message, etc. you are simply trying to obscure what Christianity as a movement has done.

While you keep attacking Islam, you're just indicating how hypocritical you and it appears many other Christians are about your religion and it's beliefs, Moses.  Tsk, tsk.