freediver wrote on Oct 12^th, 2013 at 12:31pm:


Are you suggesting that Saudi Arabia isn't a sovereign nation?  I wonder what your reaction is to criticism of Australia's right to create and impose what some consider unfair punishments (such as shipping Asylum Seekers who have broken no laws off to mandatory detention in our Pacific Gulags)?   

Whether I am a fan or not, their right to do this exists.  Time you recognised it Freediver.   

|dev|null wrote on Oct 12^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:


Would you mind elaborating on your concept of rights here? I couldn't get Brian to.

I wasn't asking you whether you were a fan of what goes on over there, but whether you were a fan of Brian's spineless approach to human rights.

|dev|null wrote on Oct 12^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:


LOL, Brian is stupid, but not stupid enough to directly condone in writing mad mullahs chopping off the heads of unbelievers.

Brian is all up for rights it seems, just not any silly right of the UN for freedom of belief. 

Of course he is all over any silly right of the UN on asylum seekers.  Nothing like the ability to pick and choose for Brian.  The epitome of being spineless is selective and targeted outrage, flexible morality and personal convictions.

And with both of your stated strong stances on the rights of nations to do what they bugger they like, I guess you support the US right to execute convicted criminals, be they believers or unbelievers. 

It is going to be fun in future watching you both supporting a nations rights no matter what reprehensible crap they get up to. Going to be very uncomfortable for you idiots supporting the rights of Israel. 

What a pair of clowns and what idiot paths your shared hypocrisys and twisted pretzel "logic" force you to walk. 

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:56am:


Yeah, blokes a joke.  Going to be fun preserving that quote for when the clown next contradicts himself as he always does.  Morals like a windvane but with the wind blowing from one direction.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:



Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 7:45pm:


Can anyone explain this? Both Brian and Gandalf keep going on about how I misunderstand, but go all quiet on me whenever I ask them to clarify the misunderstanding.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 10:32am:


What a hypocrite!

As that is precisely how all 'rightly guided' moslems behave [within the authority of the law], in ALL moslem majority jurisdictions.


Quote:



gandalf,

How would you describe a group of people who join, or, who choose to freely associate with members of an organisation, which teaches its members that it is 'lawful' ['lawful' in their 'society'], to murder people who do not believe as they believe ?


A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches every moslem, that it is 'lawful' for a moslem, to kill those, who do not believe, as he believes.




gandalf,

of the importance of moslems NOT being vilified,





gandalf,

I condemn moslems, all moslems.

And, imo, there can be no 'innocent' moslems [among those who have come to the age of consent, and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.]


But gandalf, who are the people, who are the 'outright liars' ?


JUST A SINGLE EXAMPLE, WHICH EXPOSES WHO THOSE LIARS ARE;

The Muslim Council of Britain [which represents all British 'mainstream' moslems] declares on its website, that the moslem community of the UK, condemns extremism and violence....

Quote:


http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewst...
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656




COUNTER EVIDENCE - WHICH EXPOSES THE 'OUTRIGHT' DECEPTION AND LIES OF THOSE WHO SPEAK FOR THE WHOLE UK MOSLEM COMMUNITY;

ISLAMIC law....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."





FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED


hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

[/quote]






Who is a moslem ?


[i.e. these, are the Allah, and the Mohammed, that are described in the Koran and Hadith]


By making such a declaration;

;

.....every moslem, is choosing to directly associate themselves with the 'religious' violence which ISLAM justifies, legitimises, promotes and encourages [within the moslem community].

And every moslem is thereby associating >> themselves << with every violent criminal act which is purposefully done, 'in the name of Allah/ISLAM'.


+++


Google;


The Shahadah is the ISLAMIC declaration of faith [so as to become a moslem].

The Shahadah goes;

Quote:

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2012/10/what-is-shahada.html




It is not credible, imo, that a person declares himself to be a 'moslem', and that that person, a self declared moslem, then tries to portray to others [non-moslems] that he is unaware that,
the fundamental tenets and laws of ISLAM, mandate a relationship of everlasting hatred and cultural enmity towards all persons who are not moslems.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 10^th, 2013 at 10:32am:





FD responded;
Quote:






My own response;

IMAGE...





WHAT DOES THAT IMAGE [above] DEPICT ?;
1/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation.
2/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation, exercising their lawful right >>> to express <<< their views and opinions, publicly.
3/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation, who are, ALSO, inciting the murder of persons who would dare to PUBLICLY EXPRESS, that they [non-moslems], do not believe as they [moslems] believe.
4/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation, demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
...i.e. their 'right', to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.
5/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation, who [by their own PUBLIC DECLARATIONS] are seeking to intimidate [into silence] all other persons who may wish to PUBLICLY EXPRESS, that they [non-moslems], do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

AND #6/ A group of moslems, , 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.