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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #270 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 5:41pm "God bless America!" Is a common exhortation from American politicians. An appeal to their Christian god. They bless their troops. They have Christian priests accompany them into battle. They extol Christianity at every opportunity. They are Crusaders!
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Reply #271 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 5:49pm

Badbreath should read Crusade by Rick Atkison or the autobiography of Stormin Norman and he might get a clue on the degrees to which the US and Coalition forces went to accommodate Muslim sensibilities and how Muslim countries were included in the coalition to oust Saddam.

He might learn that it was not a war of religious domination despite his idiot attempts to link it to the Crusades, the fallback of every card carrying lefty numpty.

But that would mean a bit of learning and less spouting of ignorant slogans.

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Reply #272 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 5:52pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 5:41pm:

"God bless America!" Is a common exhortation from American politicians. An appeal to their Christian god. They bless their troops. They have Christian priests accompany them into battle. They extol Christianity at every opportunity. They are Crusaders! Cheesy

Ahhh geeze another good read would be Bible and Sword by Tuchman. But the idiot aint interested in learning, so invested is he in the indoctrination by his equally idiotic brother.

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Reply #273 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:18pm

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The christians apologise for the crusades, will muslims ever apologise for their conquests that caused the crusades?

When did Christianity apologise for the Crusades? Even the Popes only specific reference to them was to the Sack of Constantinople and that was for attacks on Orthodox Christians! Cheesy

Weally Jnr....?

From The Telegraph article...
Pope says sorry for crusaders' rampage in 1204
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On a visit to Athens in 2001 the Pope asked God's forgiveness for Catholics, who he said had committed sins against Orthodox Christians for 1,000 years. He has also apologised to Muslims for the Crusades.

Why would you expect today's Christians to apologize for something they'd consider barbarians did to each other almost 2000 years ago? Jnr????? Cheesy

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Reply #274 - Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:29am

Grendel wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:18pm:

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The christians apologise for the crusades, will muslims ever apologise for their conquests that caused the crusades?

When did Christianity apologise for the Crusades? Even the Popes only specific reference to them was to the Sack of Constantinople and that was for attacks on Orthodox Christians! Cheesy

Weally Jnr....?

From The Telegraph article...
Pope says sorry for crusaders' rampage in 1204
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On a visit to Athens in 2001 the Pope asked God's forgiveness for Catholics, who he said had committed sins against Orthodox Christians for 1,000 years. He has also apologised to Muslims for the Crusades.

Why would you expect today's Christians to apologize for something they'd consider barbarians did to each other almost 2000 years ago? Jnr????? Cheesy

The Jews killed Jesus. They've never apologized for that.

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Reply #275 - Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:35am

Grendel wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:18pm:

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The christians apologise for the crusades, will muslims ever apologise for their conquests that caused the crusades?

When did Christianity apologise for the Crusades? Even the Popes only specific reference to them was to the Sack of Constantinople and that was for attacks on Orthodox Christians! Cheesy

Weally Jnr....?

From The Telegraph article...
Pope says sorry for crusaders' rampage in 1204
Quote:

On a visit to Athens in 2001 the Pope asked God's forgiveness for Catholics, who he said had committed sins against Orthodox Christians for 1,000 years. He has also apologised to Muslims for the Crusades.

Why would you expect today's Christians to apologize for something they'd consider barbarians did to each other almost 2000 years ago? Jnr????? Cheesy

Unlike you, I actually went looking for the direct apology for the Crusades which that pope supposedly uttered and the only one which I could find which specifically named the Crusades was an apology for the Sack of Constantinople. That Pope did utter a general apology for the wrongdoings of Christians in the past but not specifically for the Crusades as such.

Perhaps you need to look deeper rather than just merely accepting what Left-Wing newspapers tell you? Cheesy

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Reply #276 - Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:47am

Datalife wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:20pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

I sit at your feet and learn so much more than I do at the feet of DL who deliberately lies! Cheesy

Where have I deliberately lied?

I was sure I posted this already but it seems to have disappeared so here we go again.

You claimed here that Brian has a "He has a hard won reputation as an apologist for the indefensible.", yet you admitted when I asked if you had any evidence of him actually condoning any Islamic atrocities here, that you had none, here, so therefore you must have lied when you claimed he was an "apologist for the indefensible"

Of course, you might just be contradicting yourself instead but of course we know you never engage in such antics, now don't we? You're Mr.Perfect... Cheesy

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Reply #277 - Oct 16^th, 2013 at 11:07am

Karnal wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:29am:

Grendel wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:18pm:

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The christians apologise for the crusades, will muslims ever apologise for their conquests that caused the crusades?

When did Christianity apologise for the Crusades? Even the Popes only specific reference to them was to the Sack of Constantinople and that was for attacks on Orthodox Christians! Cheesy

Weally Jnr....?

From The Telegraph article...
Pope says sorry for crusaders' rampage in 1204
Quote:

On a visit to Athens in 2001 the Pope asked God's forgiveness for Catholics, who he said had committed sins against Orthodox Christians for 1,000 years. He has also apologised to Muslims for the Crusades.

Why would you expect today's Christians to apologize for something they'd consider barbarians did to each other almost 2000 years ago? Jnr????? Cheesy

The Jews killed Jesus. They've never apologized for that.

Actually the Romans killed Jesus. Roll Eyes

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Reply #278 - Oct 16^th, 2013 at 12:07pm

Grendel wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 11:07am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:29am:

Grendel wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:18pm:

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The christians apologise for the crusades, will muslims ever apologise for their conquests that caused the crusades?

When did Christianity apologise for the Crusades? Even the Popes only specific reference to them was to the Sack of Constantinople and that was for attacks on Orthodox Christians! Cheesy

Weally Jnr....?

From The Telegraph article...
Pope says sorry for crusaders' rampage in 1204
Quote:

On a visit to Athens in 2001 the Pope asked God's forgiveness for Catholics, who he said had committed sins against Orthodox Christians for 1,000 years. He has also apologised to Muslims for the Crusades.

Why would you expect today's Christians to apologize for something they'd consider barbarians did to each other almost 2000 years ago? Jnr????? Cheesy

The Jews killed Jesus. They've never apologized for that.

Actually the Romans killed Jesus. Roll Eyes

Spineless apologist.

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Reply #279 - Oct 16^th, 2013 at 12:19pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:35am:

Grendel wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:18pm:

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The christians apologise for the crusades, will muslims ever apologise for their conquests that caused the crusades?

When did Christianity apologise for the Crusades? Even the Popes only specific reference to them was to the Sack of Constantinople and that was for attacks on Orthodox Christians! Cheesy

Weally Jnr....?

From The Telegraph article...
Pope says sorry for crusaders' rampage in 1204
Quote:

On a visit to Athens in 2001 the Pope asked God's forgiveness for Catholics, who he said had committed sins against Orthodox Christians for 1,000 years. He has also apologised to Muslims for the Crusades.

Why would you expect today's Christians to apologize for something they'd consider barbarians did to each other almost 2000 years ago? Jnr????? Cheesy

Unlike you, I actually went looking for the direct apology for the Crusades which that pope supposedly uttered and the only one which I could find which specifically named the Crusades was an apology for the Sack of Constantinople. That Pope did utter a general apology for the wrongdoings of Christians in the past but not specifically for the Crusades as such.

Perhaps you need to look deeper rather than just merely accepting what Left-Wing newspapers tell you? Cheesy

Well I suggest you quote the text or post a link... Roll Eyes

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Reply #280 - Oct 16^th, 2013 at 12:23pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

Grendel wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 11:07am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:29am:

Grendel wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:18pm:

Quote:

The christians apologise for the crusades, will muslims ever apologise for their conquests that caused the crusades?

When did Christianity apologise for the Crusades? Even the Popes only specific reference to them was to the Sack of Constantinople and that was for attacks on Orthodox Christians! Cheesy

Weally Jnr....?

From The Telegraph article...
Pope says sorry for crusaders' rampage in 1204
Quote:

On a visit to Athens in 2001 the Pope asked God's forgiveness for Catholics, who he said had committed sins against Orthodox Christians for 1,000 years. He has also apologised to Muslims for the Crusades.

Why would you expect today's Christians to apologize for something they'd consider barbarians did to each other almost 2000 years ago? Jnr????? Cheesy

The Jews killed Jesus. They've never apologized for that.

Actually the Romans killed Jesus. Roll Eyes

Spineless apologist.

hey!
Don't call me things I've never called anyone else Grin

But it was the Romans... so I'd be a factual pedant at worst. Wink

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Reply #281 - Oct 16^th, 2013 at 12:27pm

Grendel wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:35am:

Grendel wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:18pm:

Quote:

The christians apologise for the crusades, will muslims ever apologise for their conquests that caused the crusades?

When did Christianity apologise for the Crusades? Even the Popes only specific reference to them was to the Sack of Constantinople and that was for attacks on Orthodox Christians! Cheesy

Weally Jnr....?

From The Telegraph article...
Pope says sorry for crusaders' rampage in 1204
Quote:

On a visit to Athens in 2001 the Pope asked God's forgiveness for Catholics, who he said had committed sins against Orthodox Christians for 1,000 years. He has also apologised to Muslims for the Crusades.

Why would you expect today's Christians to apologize for something they'd consider barbarians did to each other almost 2000 years ago? Jnr????? Cheesy

Unlike you, I actually went looking for the direct apology for the Crusades which that pope supposedly uttered and the only one which I could find which specifically named the Crusades was an apology for the Sack of Constantinople. That Pope did utter a general apology for the wrongdoings of Christians in the past but not specifically for the Crusades as such.

Perhaps you need to look deeper rather than just merely accepting what Left-Wing newspapers tell you? Cheesy

Well I suggest you quote the text or post a link... Roll Eyes

Bit hard to post a link to something that wasn't said, now isn't? How about instead you post a direct link to the sermon/speech the Pope gave where he did Apologise directly for the Crusades? You're the one claiming it happened afterall. Otherwise I might be tempted to call you a liar! Cheesy

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Reply #282 - Oct 16^th, 2013 at 12:40pm

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Pope Benedict has expressed his 'shame' that violence has been used in the name of Christianity as he condemned terrorism in God's name.

The Pope had spoken in front of 300 religious leaders from around the world, during which he asked forgiveness for the church's use of violence in the past.

Describing violence in the name of religion as 'an abuse of the Christian faith', Pope Benedict's address was one of the few times he has apologised for events such as the Crusades or the use of force to spread the faith in the New World.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2054484/Pope-Benedict-apologises-Christian-violence-ages-condemning-terrorism-religion.html

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JIM BITTERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Miles, Pope John Paul II put it this way, "We forgive and we ask forgiveness." And with that, he led church leaders and followers in sweeping confession, seeking repentance for sins that may have been committed over the past 2,000 years in the name of the church.

They fell into seven general categories of wrongs which include, without being too specific, everything from the Crusades to the Inquisition, the forced conversions, to sins against women and anti- Jewish acts. It was a first for the church, which has only rarely and only in specific instances confessed errors in the past. The pope's sermon offered an explanation for today's day of pardon.

There are many links to articles about John Paul II apologising too Jnr... now you can dismiss them all or I suspect go to the Vatican and get a copy.

oh and Jnr...

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Unlike you, I actually went looking for the direct apology

never ASS UME
it only makes you a liar and a bigot.

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #283 - Oct 16^th, 2013 at 1:06pm Indirect references don't cut it. Show us what he actually said. Sounds to me like he was being rather spineless by not directly apologising, don't you think?
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Reply #284 - Oct 16^th, 2013 at 1:29pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

Datalife wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:20pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

I sit at your feet and learn so much more than I do at the feet of DL who deliberately lies! Cheesy

Where have I deliberately lied?

I was sure I posted this already but it seems to have disappeared so here we go again.

You claimed here that Brian has a "He has a hard won reputation as an apologist for the indefensible.", yet you admitted when I asked if you had any evidence of him actually condoning any Islamic atrocities here, that you had none, here, so therefore you must have lied when you claimed he was an "apologist for the indefensible"

LOL, what a clown. Brian does have hard won reputation as an apologist for the indefensible. If you don't think he has you are sillier than you present as.

Oh and naughty naughty, why not show the actual quotes? What you asked for was

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You can of course produce proof from your long dirt files that Brian has ever directly condoned any Islamic atrocities?

I never said has "ever directly condoned any Islamic atrocities". That was your idiot statement, to which I answered

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LOL, Brian is stupid, but not stupid enough to directly condone in writing mad mullahs chopping off the heads of unbelievers.

Now do you want to see more evidence of what a direct lie looks like? I am sure Brian loves it when you stick up for him and allow me to post this perfect example of a deliberate lie.

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Brian Ross wrote:DL, I haven't claimed to be an academic. I've never been employed as one nor claimed to hold any academic standing. That is a product it appears of your febrile imagination. I'll leave you to keep up your strawmen arguments yourself.

And then the lies.

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Brian Ross wrote:I have been a published academic at several points in my life, Sappho. ?

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Brian Ross wrote:Actually, DL, I referred to several webpages before I typed that out, to make sure what I remembered from my academic days was correct.

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Brian Ross wrote:You must move in very different academic circles to myself

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Brian Ross wrote:Funny, is that why whenever I or anybody else bring up their academic qualifications or knowledge you attack them personally? ?

That my dim witted friend is a deliberate lie. For a clown who claimed he had a genius 178 IQ, you sure present as stupid.

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