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Reply #315 - Oct 20^th, 2013 at 6:25pm

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I've made my explanation several times now, FD. You can continue to believe what you like, I am the one who knows though, what I meant and I've made it clear.

So you did not actually mean that you do not have the right or ability to criticise anyone unless they are of the same nationality and same religion?

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Repeating what I typed ad infinitum will not change that explanation.

Ignoring the elephant in the room is not the same thing as an explanation.

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That you seem to believe that personal attack threads are acceptable behaviour indicates why you find the lack of moderator so convenient.

I am criticising what you posted Brian. It is spineless. And horrid. And morally reprehensible, according to Gandalf. You are hardly making a good case for your judgement by pretending you cannot tell the difference.

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #316 - Oct 20^th, 2013 at 6:51pm

freediver wrote on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

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I've made my explanation several times now, FD. You can continue to believe what you like, I am the one who knows though, what I meant and I've made it clear.

So you did not actually mean that you do not have the right or ability to criticise anyone unless they are of the same nationality and same religion?

I've made my explanations, FD, if you still cannot accept them then it's your problem not mine. Roll Eyes

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Repeating what I typed ad infinitum will not change that explanation.

Ignoring the elephant in the room is not the same thing as an explanation.

I haven't ignored it. I have made my explanations. You refuse to accept them and keep posting and reposting the same stuff. You do know what the definition of insanity is, don't you, FD? "Repeating the same experiment, time after time, expecting different results than those obtained everytime before." You're doing exactly that! Grin

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That you seem to believe that personal attack threads are acceptable behaviour indicates why you find the lack of moderator so convenient.

I am criticising what you posted Brian. It is spineless. And horrid. And morally reprehensible, according to Gandalf. You are hardly making a good case for your judgement by pretending you cannot tell the difference.

No, FD, you are criticising me, describing me as a "spineless apologetic". Grow up, I can recognise a personal attack when i see one, FD. As I keep pointing out, it's convenient for you that there are no moderators to enforce the rules. Damn convenient. Roll Eyes

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #317 - Oct 20^th, 2013 at 7:01pm

freediver wrote on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 8:17am:

Apparently it is also wrong to try to "impose your will" on modern rapists and murderers if they are merely following an example set 1400 years ago. I don't quite get the logic - something to do with it being common back then, therefor we must be more accepting if people want to continue the practice:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 12:37am:

freediver wrote on Oct 19^th, 2013 at 8:42am:

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As I've pointed out, FD Muhammed was no different to most other warlords in the Medieval or Ancient periods, or even up to the start of the 20th for that matter. History unfortunately is littered with atrocities. You, OTOH appear to believe he was unique in this regard, perhaps because of your bigoted viewpoint towards Muslims.

He is unique in that people turned him into a religious leader, despite all the raping and pillaging. It's like worshiping Hitler.

And? Some people do, do that, FD. That is their choice. You may disagree with it but can you impose your will on them to make them change? Really? Roll Eyes

As I keep pointing out and you keep refusing to accept - what happened 1400 years ago was done to a completely different set of social mores to those in use today. Different standards, FD. Roll Eyes

Can you explain Brian?

If Germans started worshiping Hitler, would you defend their right to gas Jews? After all, you are neither German nor Nazi, and therefor must be accepting of their customs. Or did Hitler miss the historical boat?

Some people already belief that. You, yourself are one step away from it in your continued condemnation of all Muslims, FD. I wouldn't defend the Nazis "right" to gas Jews anymore would I defend your right to gas Muslims.

Thing is, you assume asking for a fair go for innocents is defending the rights of extremists, FD. Roll Eyes

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Reply #318 - Oct 20^th, 2013 at 7:31pm

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I've made my explanations

You repeated what you said very selectively, leaving out the worst. At least that is a good sign because it means you recognise why your views are regarded as so spineless. But it is hardly an explanation. It leaves more questions that answers. You have stated that you stand by what you said and that you meant exactly what you said, but at the same time you are pretending you said something completely different and backpedaling as fast as you can.

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I haven't ignored it. I have made my explanations. You refuse to accept them and keep posting and reposting the same stuff. You do know what the definition of insanity is, don't you, FD? "Repeating the same experiment, time after time, expecting different results than those obtained everytime before." You're doing exactly that!

I am not expecting anything different from you Brian. I do not expect you you change. I expect you to reinforce what you already posted.

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No, FD, you are criticising me, describing me as a "spineless apologetic".

So now you think we should not be allowed to criticise the spineless things you say because you will take it personally? What criticism would you allow?

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Some people already belief that. You, yourself are one step away from it in your continued condemnation of all Muslims, FD. I wouldn't defend the Nazis "right" to gas Jews anymore would I defend your right to gas Muslims.

So how is that different from what you posted here? Would it be OK if they merely chopped their heads off? Is it OK to kill atheists but not Jews?

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

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Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights?
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7 nations where atheism is punishable by death.
All 7 establish Islam as the state religion.
Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-...

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #319 - Oct 21^st, 2013 at 10:31am Freediver you're really unwilling to accept other people's explanations or opinion, aren't you? It's your way or no way! You're as bad as the Islamists. Both you and they oppose pluralism.
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Reply #320 - Oct 21^st, 2013 at 12:30pm

As I recall you were afraid to offer an opinion on this. Now is your chance:

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I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #321 - Oct 21^st, 2013 at 2:36pm freediver wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 12:30pm: As I recall you were afraid to offer an opinion on this. Why do I need to offer an opinion?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #322 - Oct 21^st, 2013 at 6:47pm You don't need to. It does not surprise me at all that you are afraid to offer an opinion. I am surprised I got one out of Gandalf after only a dozen pages or so. Apologists of Brian's moral flexibility are rare indeed. He is just what Islam needs.
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Reply #323 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 3:25pm

freediver wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 6:47pm:

You don't need to. It does not surprise me at all that you are afraid to offer an opinion. I am surprised I got one out of Gandalf after only a dozen pages or so. Apologists of Brian's moral flexibility are rare indeed. He is just what Islam needs.

Why? Because he believes people should get a fair shake of the sauce bottle? You of course believe in condemning them all through guilt by association.

Kicked any Aborigines lately? Of course not but Muslims... ? Cheesy

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #324 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 6:54pm No HB. Because he believes that he has no right or ability to criticise people from a different nation or religion. That is pretty spineless, don't you think? And because he believes they have a right to chop people's heads off for thought crimes. Is that what you mean by a fair shake?
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Reply #325 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 10:57pm

freediver wrote on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 7:31pm:

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I've made my explanations

You repeated what you said very selectively, leaving out the worst.

No, I explained what I had said, FD.

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At least that is a good sign because it means you recognise why your views are regarded as so spineless. But it is hardly an explanation. It leaves more questions that answers. You have stated that you stand by what you said and that you meant exactly what you said, but at the same time you are pretending you said something completely different and backpedaling as fast as you can.

Back-pedalling? Really? Like all the other things you claim, you have a strange definition there. Roll Eyes

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I haven't ignored it. I have made my explanations. You refuse to accept them and keep posting and reposting the same stuff. You do know what the definition of insanity is, don't you, FD? "Repeating the same experiment, time after time, expecting different results than those obtained everytime before." You're doing exactly that!

I am not expecting anything different from you Brian. I do not expect you you change. I expect you to reinforce what you already posted.
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It doesn't need reinforcement. It is perfectly adequate as it stands.

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No, FD, you are criticising me, describing me as a "spineless apologetic".

So now you think we should not be allowed to criticise the spineless things you say because you will take it personally? What criticism would you allow?

You can criticise what I say, how you like, FD but attacks on me personally demean you and no one else. Roll Eyes

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Some people already belief that. You, yourself are one step away from it in your continued condemnation of all Muslims, FD. I wouldn't defend the Nazis "right" to gas Jews anymore would I defend your right to gas Muslims.

So how is that different from what you posted here? Would it be OK if they merely chopped their heads off? Is it OK to kill atheists but not Jews?

If you cannot perceive the difference then you definitely need your moral compass fixed, FD. Roll Eyes

Persecution of innocents is wrong, FD. Doesn't matter what their religion is. Nazis hated Jews. You hate Muslims. How does that make you superior to the Nazis? Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

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Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights?
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7 nations where atheism is punishable by death.
All 7 establish Islam as the state religion.
Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-...

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

See what I mean about repeating the same experiment and expecting different results, FD? Roll Eyes

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Lionel Edriess Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1932 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #326 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 11:49pm Brian! You're here! Title says it all!
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40817	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #327 - Oct 23^rd, 2013 at 1:22am Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 11:49pm: Brian! You're here! Title says it all! So many cheap shots, hey, Lionel? Says it all. Tell me, Lionel have you ever known me to shy away from a fight? Really?
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #328 - Oct 23^rd, 2013 at 3:51pm Brian Ross wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2013 at 1:22am: Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 11:49pm: Brian! You're here! Title says it all! So many cheap shots, hey, Lionel? Says it all. Tell me, Lionel have you ever known me to shy away from a fight? Really? All the time bwian... all the time...
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40817	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #329 - Oct 23^rd, 2013 at 9:39pm I see, still nothing useful to contribute, just endless accusations and lies. if you wish to actually engage in debate, perhaps you should do so, instead of merely resorting to insult at every turn. I really wonder why you bother, Beowulf. How many forums have you been banned from now?
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