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Reply #390 - Nov 12^th, 2013 at 3:19pm

freediver wrote on Nov 11^th, 2013 at 6:57pm:

|dev|null wrote on Nov 11^th, 2013 at 12:53pm:

Freediver, did you have a point in that last post 'cause I can't see anything except quoted text. Cheesy

That will do.

Why? It adds nothing to the debate, if you can call it that. It looks merely like an effort at personal attack - which you claim you don't engage in. Such contradictions show how big a hypocrite you are. Cheesy

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"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #391 - Nov 12^th, 2013 at 6:37pm The fact that you cannot see it's relevance to this thread is itself of interest.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #392 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 8:54pm http://www.silentconquest.com/
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #393 - Nov 26^th, 2013 at 10:00am Here you go Soren...
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #394 - Nov 26^th, 2013 at 11:33am freediver wrote on Nov 12^th, 2013 at 6:37pm: The fact that you cannot see it's relevance to this thread is itself of interest. OK, as a once famous red-head liked to ask, "please explain?"
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Reply #395 - Nov 27^th, 2013 at 8:54pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 26^th, 2013 at 10:00am:

Here you go Soren...

http://www.elitetechsolutions.com.au/Violin/Violin2.jpg

It's true though, isn't it - Islam DOES want to dominate the world.
Not share, tolerate, coexist - but dominate. That's what it's all about.

yes? no? not for you to say?
Ah, look, is that the time? gotta run, can't talk now?

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Reply #396 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 12:13am

Soren wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 8:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 26^th, 2013 at 10:00am:

Here you go Soren...

http://www.elitetechsolutions.com.au/Violin/Violin2.jpg

It's true though, isn't it - Islam DOES want to dominate the world.
Not share, tolerate, coexist - but dominate. That's what it's all about.

So does Christianity and its numerous denominations, Soren. All proselytising religions do. Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #397 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 9:31am

Soren wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 8:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 26^th, 2013 at 10:00am:

Here you go Soren...

http://www.elitetechsolutions.com.au/Violin/Violin2.jpg

It's true though, isn't it - Islam DOES want to dominate the world.
Not share, tolerate, coexist - but dominate. That's what it's all about.

yes? no? not for you to say?
Ah, look, is that the time? gotta run, can't talk now?

Of course it does. But not in the "covert or die" way you portray it as. Islam is very clear on the way islam must spread - through dialogue and peaceful example. If you look at the spread of islam under Prophet Muhammad, it wasn't by the sword, it was by peacefully and patiently demonstrating to outside communities what islam had to offer for society - and tribes and communities came over to islam in droves - simply by being so impressed at what islam could provide to the community.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #398 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 1:26pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 12:13am:

Soren wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 8:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 26^th, 2013 at 10:00am:

Here you go Soren...

http://www.elitetechsolutions.com.au/Violin/Violin2.jpg

It's true though, isn't it - Islam DOES want to dominate the world.
Not share, tolerate, coexist - but dominate. That's what it's all about.

So does Christianity and its numerous denominations, Soren. All proselytising religions do. Roll Eyes

Well that's just bullshit... I'm a Christian, I don't want to, my religion doesn't want to.
too much time on the Wacky To-baccy there bwian.

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Reply #399 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 1:27pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 9:31am:

Soren wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 8:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 26^th, 2013 at 10:00am:

Here you go Soren...

http://www.elitetechsolutions.com.au/Violin/Violin2.jpg

It's true though, isn't it - Islam DOES want to dominate the world.
Not share, tolerate, coexist - but dominate. That's what it's all about.

yes? no? not for you to say?
Ah, look, is that the time? gotta run, can't talk now?

Of course it does. But not in the "covert or die" way you portray it as. Islam is very clear on the way islam must spread - through dialogue and peaceful example. If you look at the spread of islam under Prophet Muhammad, it wasn't by the sword, it was by peacefully and patiently demonstrating to outside communities what islam had to offer for society - and tribes and communities came over to islam in droves - simply by being so impressed at what islam could provide to the community.

Another useful idiot.... Roll Eyes

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Reply #400 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 1:40pm

Grendel wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 1:26pm:

Well that's just bullshit... I'm a Christian

Ephesians 4:29 29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.

Grendel wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 1:26pm:

I don't want to, my religion doesn't want to

Matthew 28

16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #401 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 1:49pm Grendel wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 1:27pm: Another useful idiot.... Let me guess - you haven't read a single biography of Muhammad?
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Reply #402 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 12:34pm

But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. (Koran 9:5)

Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the jizya [tribute] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (Koran 9:29).

When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to [accept] Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. ... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them.
(Sahih Muslim, Book 19, Number 4294)

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Reply #403 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 12:36pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 9:31am:

Islam is very clear on the way islam must spread - through dialogue and peaceful example. If you look at the spread of islam under Prophet Muhammad, it wasn't by the sword, it was by peacefully and patiently demonstrating to outside communities what islam had to offer for society - and tribes and communities came over to islam in droves - simply by being so impressed at what islam could provide to the community.

Really??? So all these battles and conquests and assassinations have nuffin' to do wiv Islam, then?

623 - Battle of Waddan.
623 - Battle of Safwan.
623 - Battle of Dul-'Ashir.
624 - Muhammad and converts begin raids on caravans to fund the movement.
624 - Zakat becomes mandatory
624 - Battle of Badr.
624 - Battle of Bani Salim.
624 - Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr and Zakat-ul-Fitr.
624 - Battle of Bani Qainuqa'.
624 - Battle of Sawiq.
624 - Battle of Ghatfan.
624 - Battle of Bahran.
625 - Battle of Uhud; .
625 - Battle of Humra-ul-Asad.
625 - Battle of Banu Nudair.
625 - Battle of Dhatur-Riqa.
626 - Battle of Badru-Ukhra.
626 - Battle of Dumatul-Jandal.
626 - Battle of Banu Mustalaq Nikah.
627 - Battle of the Trench.
627 - Battle of Ahzab.
627 - Battle of Bani uraiza.
627 - Battle of Bani Lahyan.
627 - Battle of Ghaiba.
627 - Battle of Khaibar..
630 - Muhammad conquers Mecca.
630 - Battle of Hunsin.
630 - Battle of Tabuk.
632 - Muhammad dies.
632 - Abu-Bakr, Muhammad's father-in-law, along with Umar, begin a military move to enforce Islam in Arabia.
633 - Battle at Oman.
633 - Battle at Hadramaut.
633 - Battle of Kazima.
633 - Battle of Walaja.
633 - Battle of Ulleis.
633 - Battle of Anbar.
634 - Battle of Basra.
634 - Battle of Damascus.
634 - Battle of Ajnadin.
634 - Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph
634 - Battle of Namaraq.
634 - Battle of Saqatia
635 - Battle of Bridge.
635 - Battle of Buwaib.
635 - Conquest of Damascus.
635 - Battle of Fahl.
636 - Battle of Yermuk.
636 - Battle of Qadsiyia.
636 - Conquest of Madain.
637 - Battle of Jalula.
638 - Battle of Yarmouk.
638 - The Muslims defeat the Romans and enter Jerusalem.
638 - Conquest of Jazirah.
639 - Conquest of Khuizistan and movement into Egypt.
641 - Battle of Nihawand.
642 - Battle of Rayy in Persia.
643 - Conquest of Azarbaijan.
644 - Conquest of Fars.
644 - Conquest of Kharan.
644 - Umar is murdered. Othman becomes the Caliph
647 - Conquest of the island of Cypress.
644 - Uman dies and is succeeded by Caliph Uthman
648 - Campaign against the Byzantines.
651 - Naval battle against the Byzantines.
654 - Islam spreads into North Africa.
656 - Uthman is murdered. Ali become Caliph
658 - Battle of Nahrawan.
659 - Conquest of Egypt.
661 – Ali is murdered
666 - Sicily is attacked by Muslims.
677 - Siege of Constantinople.
687 - Battle of Kufa.
691 - Battle of Deir ul Jaliq..
700 - Military campaigns in North Africa.
702 - Battle of Deir ul Jamira.
711 - Muslims invade Gibraltar.
711 - Conquest of Spain.
713 - Conquest of Multan.
716 - Invasion of Constantinople.
732 - Battle of Tours in France.
740 - Battle of the Nobles.
741 - Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa.
744 - Battle of Ain al Jurr.
746 - Battle of Rupar Thutha.
748 - Battle of Rayy.
749 - Battle of lsfahan.
749 - Battle of Nihawand.
750 - Battle of Zab.
772 - Battle of Janbi in North Africa.
777 - Battle of Saragossa in Spain.

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Reply #404 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 12:49pm

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Islam is very clear on the way islam must spread - through dialogue and peaceful example. If you look at the spread of islam under Prophet Muhammad, it wasn't by the sword, it was by peacefully and patiently demonstrating to outside communities what islam had to offer for society

Bull.

Muhammed the warmonger

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