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Reply #420 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 8:12pm
 
Stratos wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 7:55pm:
Soren wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 7:33pm:
No Brain. I get my ideas from impeccably researched sources.


lol

Soren wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 7:33pm:
Not coincidentally, every progressive endeavour is aimed at breaking down these very characteristics of western society. 
I invite you to provide a single piece of evidence to the contrary.


http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/society-and-culture/scripted-lessons-start-a-classroom-revival-20100528-wlba.html

Schooling in Arukun, have a read, it's really inspiring.  All it took was someone to take the time effort and money to implement good teaching practices and get involved in the community?  who would've thought?



I have enormous respect for Pearson - as does Abbott, BTW.

As you can see from this article, the issue is about setting standards, enforcing them, rewarding ach
ievement.

Scripted lessons - not off-the cuff freelancing belly-aching about the heteronormative white privilege inherent in maths, English, chemistry, history.

Learn, ya little bastards, learn - and lo! they learn!!! A miracle!







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Reply #421 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 8:23pm
 
Soren wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 8:12pm:
Stratos wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 7:55pm:
Soren wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 7:33pm:
No Brain. I get my ideas from impeccably researched sources.


lol

Soren wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 7:33pm:
Not coincidentally, every progressive endeavour is aimed at breaking down these very characteristics of western society. 
I invite you to provide a single piece of evidence to the contrary.


http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/society-and-culture/scripted-lessons-start-a-classroom-revival-20100528-wlba.html

Schooling in Arukun, have a read, it's really inspiring.  All it took was someone to take the time effort and money to implement good teaching practices and get involved in the community?  who would've thought?



I have enormous respect for Pearson - as does Abbott, BTW.

As you can see from this article, the issue is about setting standards, enforcing them, rewarding ach
ievement.

Scripted lessons - not off-the cuff freelancing belly-aching about the heteronormative white privilege inherent in maths, English, chemistry, history.

Learn, ya little bastards, learn - and lo! they learn!!! A miracle!




He is working miracles up there.  The first thing he did to tackle truancy was to buy a minivan for the elders, who go around and pick up any kids and drop them to school Smiley
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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #422 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 8:57pm
 
Pearson - and Abbott - will make a real difference.
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Reply #423 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 11:27pm
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 3:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 2:19pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 1:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 12:13am:
Soren wrote on Nov 27th, 2013 at 8:54pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 26th, 2013 at 10:00am:



It's true though, isn't it - Islam DOES want to dominate the world.
Not share, tolerate, coexist - but dominate. That's what it's all about.


So does Christianity and its numerous denominations, Soren.  All proselytising religions do.   Roll Eyes

Well that's just bullshit...  I'm a Christian, I don't want to, my religion doesn't want to.
too much time on the Wacky To-baccy there bwian.


Yes, just because you don't do it, doesn't mean that many other Christians don't do it, Beowulf.

Nor does it mean it hasn't happened throughout most of the history of that religion.

Remember the Spanish in the Americas and what they did to the "American Indians"?   Roll Eyes

oh poor widdle bwian....  sore loser bwian?
Don't worry I'm not the gloating type.
People can see that one for themselves. Grin Grin Grin

please bwian tell us all what Christian nation is leading a world crusade to convert the rest of us to christianity?  Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy


America.  One only has to remember the words of George W. Bush that he believed he was commissioned by God to attack Iraq, Beowulf.  Then we have the comment from Sarah Palin that the war in Iraq was a "holy crusade".  Always remember the exhortation, "God bless, America!"   Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #424 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 11:28pm
 
Soren wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 7:33pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 5:21pm:
Yep, you get your opinions from youtube.  That explains an awful lot about you, Soren.   Roll Eyes


No Brain. I get my ideas from impeccably researched sources.


Really?  Where?  Whom?  Are they unbiased?  I suspect not.   Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #425 - Dec 2nd, 2013 at 10:48am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 11:27pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 3:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 2:19pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 1:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 12:13am:
Soren wrote on Nov 27th, 2013 at 8:54pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 26th, 2013 at 10:00am:



It's true though, isn't it - Islam DOES want to dominate the world.
Not share, tolerate, coexist - but dominate. That's what it's all about.


So does Christianity and its numerous denominations, Soren.  All proselytising religions do.   Roll Eyes

Well that's just bullshit...  I'm a Christian, I don't want to, my religion doesn't want to.
too much time on the Wacky To-baccy there bwian.


Yes, just because you don't do it, doesn't mean that many other Christians don't do it, Beowulf.

Nor does it mean it hasn't happened throughout most of the history of that religion.

Remember the Spanish in the Americas and what they did to the "American Indians"?   Roll Eyes

oh poor widdle bwian....  sore loser bwian?
Don't worry I'm not the gloating type.
People can see that one for themselves. Grin Grin Grin

please bwian tell us all what Christian nation is leading a world crusade to convert the rest of us to christianity?  Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy


America.  One only has to remember the words of George W. Bush that he believed he was commissioned by God to attack Iraq, Beowulf.  Then we have the comment from Sarah Palin that the war in Iraq was a "holy crusade".  Always remember the exhortation, "God bless, America!"   Roll Eyes

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

You are a goose....  don't you mean
THE GREAT SATAN
isn't that the term used by most "radical" Muslims and spineless apologetics.  You have to be kidding bwian, even I didn't think you were that stupid.

Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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Reply #426 - Dec 2nd, 2013 at 11:40am
 
freediver wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 12:49pm:
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Islam is very clear on the way islam must spread - through dialogue and peaceful example. If you look at the spread of islam under Prophet Muhammad, it wasn't by the sword, it was by peacefully and patiently demonstrating to outside communities what islam had to offer for society


Bull.

Muhammed the warmonger

www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1375266038


Reccommed the widely acclaimed works by both Montgommery Watt and Karen Armstrong (both non-muslims). They argue that at the time of Muhammad, the tribes of Arabia had recently transformed from a nomadic society to a mercantile one. This brought in much wealth to the people, but with it a new culture of selfish individualism - replacing the communal culture of the bedouin. This was beginning to tear apart society (what the quran describes as the age of "jahiliyya") - where previously the poor, the orphans and the destitute were taken care of by their tribe - now they were left to fend for themselves, while the merchant class got rich. 

By the time of Muhammad, all this was starting to unravel - the class divide was destroying the community. They were looking for a new way, and Muhammad had the answer. Thats why the quran and the teachings of Muhammad have so much emphasis on community and the duty of the community to look after the less fortunate. This was a message that most people were already yearning for even before Muhammad starting teaching. Watt particularly gives an excellent analysis on the way the quran was revealed - where the initial verses emphasise the social message of islam - to change society to become more egalitarian - rather than emphasising the personal aspects and duties.

In short, there is a very good case to be made that Muhammad's message was already conducive for that society in that particular time and place, and thats why it spread so rapidly and so successfully. The "battles" you list are entirely inadequate for making the "spread by the sword" case. Virtually all of them were tiny, insignificant skirmishes that say a lot more about the lack of "heart" and discipline of Muhammad's enemies than the violence and ruthlessness of Muhammad's forces. They were dispirited and not particularly in a mood to fight Muhammad - and nothing about the battles that took place adequately explains this poor morale: they always had numeric superiority over Muhammad, Muhammad never launched surprise attacks that would take them off guard - he always marched his army to the enemy, implored them to submit, and only fought when the enemy attacked first.

The fact is, in many of these non-muslim communities, including the Quraysh tribe who ruled over Mecca, individual members of those communities were defecting to Muhammad in droves - so while the elites were enthusiastic as ever to fight Muhammad, their rank and file were at best dispirited and at worst disloyal. We know that this situation was so bad amongst the Quraysh, that when Muhammad signed a treaty with them, they demanded that he send back any person who defected to Medina. (Interestingly, this backfired, as the defectors got around this by setting up their own community outside Mecca and waged a guerilla campaign against the Quraysh - prompting the Quraysh to beg Muhammad to take them in and control them).
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #427 - Dec 2nd, 2013 at 1:29pm
 
Grendel wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 10:48am:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 11:27pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 3:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 2:19pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 1:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 12:13am:
Soren wrote on Nov 27th, 2013 at 8:54pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 26th, 2013 at 10:00am:



It's true though, isn't it - Islam DOES want to dominate the world.
Not share, tolerate, coexist - but dominate. That's what it's all about.


So does Christianity and its numerous denominations, Soren.  All proselytising religions do.   Roll Eyes

Well that's just bullshit...  I'm a Christian, I don't want to, my religion doesn't want to.
too much time on the Wacky To-baccy there bwian.


Yes, just because you don't do it, doesn't mean that many other Christians don't do it, Beowulf.

Nor does it mean it hasn't happened throughout most of the history of that religion.

Remember the Spanish in the Americas and what they did to the "American Indians"?   Roll Eyes

oh poor widdle bwian....  sore loser bwian?
Don't worry I'm not the gloating type.
People can see that one for themselves. Grin Grin Grin

please bwian tell us all what Christian nation is leading a world crusade to convert the rest of us to christianity?  Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy


America.  One only has to remember the words of George W. Bush that he believed he was commissioned by God to attack Iraq, Beowulf.  Then we have the comment from Sarah Palin that the war in Iraq was a "holy crusade".  Always remember the exhortation, "God bless, America!"   Roll Eyes

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

You are a goose....  don't you mean
THE GREAT SATAN
isn't that the term used by most "radical" Muslims and spineless apologetics.  You have to be kidding bwian, even I didn't think you were that stupid.

Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy



Ohh, look, the Great Grendel has resorted to his pointless flaming and ad hominem debate.  Next, we'll have a funny picture or a cartoon, instead of any substantial debate!  What a clown!   Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.
 
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Reply #428 - Dec 2nd, 2013 at 11:44pm
 
Got nothin' I see but hypocrisy eh Jnr...  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #429 - Dec 3rd, 2013 at 12:45am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 11:40am:
In short, there is a very good case to be made that Muhammad's message was already conducive for that society in that particular time and place, and thats why it spread so rapidly and so successfully. The "battles" you list are entirely inadequate for making the "spread by the sword" case. Virtually all of them were tiny, insignificant skirmishes that say a lot more about the lack of "heart" and discipline of Muhammad's enemies than the violence and ruthlessness of Muhammad's forces. They were dispirited and not particularly in a mood to fight Muhammad - and nothing about the battles that took place adequately explains this poor morale: they always had numeric superiority over Muhammad, Muhammad never launched surprise attacks that would take them off guard - he always marched his army to the enemy, implored them to submit, and only fought when the enemy attacked first.



Do you think anyone will believe your lies?

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The messenger of Allah made a raid upon the Banu Mustaliq while they were unaware and their cattle were having a drink at the water.

So there fighters were killed and the women and children were taken as captives.

We received captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus, we asked Allah's apostle and he said better not to pull out.


www.sunnah.com/abudawud/12/127
www.sunnah.com/muslim/32/1



Of course $Profit $Mo got 20% of all war booty as well as another wife from these cowardly attacks.
www.quran.com/8/41
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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
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Reply #430 - Dec 3rd, 2013 at 10:19am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 12:45am:
Of course $Profit $Mo got 20% of all war booty as well as another wife from these cowardly attacks.


Win win then.

Yay muslims  Smiley
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #431 - Dec 3rd, 2013 at 11:15am
 
Grendel wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 11:44pm:
Got nothin' I see but hypocrisy eh Jnr...  Grin Grin Grin


How is it hypocritical to point out that you've posted nothing of value to the debate?  I've never claimed I crave debate unlike you!  I am here purely to mock bigots and racists and xenophobes.  I see no value in engaging in debate with them.  They won't change their opinion, they can't, it is part of their nature to be steadfastedly, stubbornly and ignorantly bigoted/racist/xenophobic.  Nothing will change that.  Nothing, so why not have fun at their expense?   Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin
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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Reply #432 - Dec 3rd, 2013 at 12:47pm
 
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you are such a Tard....
love your confession...  go find a mirror so you can mock yourself...  ought to keep you off the streets and away from here for years.  Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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Reply #433 - Dec 3rd, 2013 at 1:26pm
 
Nah, Grendel, it's a lot more fun to mock you with your prejudices and your claims to moral superiority when all you do is troll.  Got any more silly cartoons for us?  If that is your level of debate, sheesh!     Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin
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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Reply #434 - Dec 3rd, 2013 at 7:04pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 1:26pm:
Nah, Grendel, it's a lot more fun to mock you with your prejudices and your claims to moral superiority when all you do is troll.  Got any more silly cartoons for us?  If that is your level of debate, sheesh!     Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin

My prejudices?
Care to list them with examples?
Moral superiority?  moi?  you are kidding right.  I have never made any such claim...  you and bwian however are forever judging people and labeling them.  Roll Eyes
I have lots of images...  most of them very appropriate...   Grin Grin Grin
Mock away Jnr...  it is after all, all you said you were good for.
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