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Reply #465 - Dec 9^th, 2013 at 12:54pm

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 8:44am:

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Grendel wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 7:04pm:

[quote author=Hot_Breath link=1379233325/433#433 date=1386041187]Nah, Grendel, it's a lot more fun to mock you with your prejudices and your claims to moral superiority when all you do is troll. Got any more silly cartoons for us? If that is your level of debate, sheesh! Cheesy

My prejudices?

Islamophobia

What do you LIKE about Islam, Titties?

Why do I have to like it? I tolerate it. I like most Muslims that I've met, they tend to be great people.

You however habitually declare your hatred for all Muslims at every opportunity! Cheesy

I talk about Islam, you switch to Muslims.
I object to Islam the way I object to fascism, communism, Marxism.

These are not biological categories but freely chosen ethical, ideological positions.

You do not HAVE to be a Muslim or a fascist or a communist, Jehovah's Witness, Catholic, Anglican, atheist, Green, Labor or Liberal.

He is not even aware he is doing it. He can only see this argument in terms of people being unfair to Muslims, for no apparent reason. He does not even seem to be aware of the debate over ideology, or the fact that Muslims choose to believe a violent, oppressive ideology that they will impose on others wherever they are able to. He can only see Muslims who are unable to impose their will on other acting the way he thinks they should. He cannot even bring himself to ask Muslims what they believe, yet is happy to tell everyone else what they believe based on the fact that they have never personally done anything to him.

And you seem to find it impossible to differentiate between moderate Muslims and extremist Muslims. I wonder why? Because you're a bigot? Cheesy

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Reply #466 - Dec 9^th, 2013 at 1:41pm

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 8:44am:

He is not even aware he is doing it. He can only see this argument in terms of people being unfair to Muslims, for no apparent reason. He does not even seem to be aware of the debate over ideology, or the fact that Muslims choose to believe a violent, oppressive ideology that they will impose on others wherever they are able to. He can only see Muslims who are unable to impose their will on other acting the way he thinks they should. He cannot even bring himself to ask Muslims what they believe, yet is happy to tell everyone else what they believe based on the fact that they have never personally done anything to him.

And you seem blissfully unaware that this is not an attack on an ideology, it is an attack on people - muslim people. Hot Breath has identified this only too accurately. Just take this paragraph of yours - you try to make this about ideology, then in the very same breath castigate HB for not "realising" these people are violent and intolerant. Not the ideology - the people themselves. Its no different to when you repeatedly explain away demonstrations of goodwill by muslims as cynical PR exercises by a group whose only reason for not behave violently because they do not (yet) have the strength to. All completely baseless of course. To you, muslims can never be just nice "normal" people - they must be sinnister, intolerant and constantly plotting - not because you have any actual evidence muslims are like this on the whole, but because of your warped interpretation of islamic text.

You are no better than Yadda.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #467 - Dec 9^th, 2013 at 1:49pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 12:54pm:

And you seem to find it impossible to differentiate between moderate Muslims and extremist Muslims. I wonder why? Because you're a bigot? Cheesy

Allah has a word for these so called moderate muslims, Allah calls them hypocrites (munfiqs).

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Allah speaking
O Profit , fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be harsh upon them.
And their refuge is hell.
www.quran.com/9/73

So who are the hypocrites in the Quran kok breath?
www.quran.com/search?q=hypocrite

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #468 - Dec 9^th, 2013 at 2:20pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 1:49pm:

So who are the hypocrites in the Quran

The hypocrites the Quran refers to were the people in Medina who were against Muhammad and his message, but pretended to follow The Prophet. But really they were biding their time waiting for the right opportunity to move against The Prophet.

They also played on Muhammad's and islam's inherent tolerance to criticism, spreading rumours and insults to try and destabilise and destroy the Prophet.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #469 - Dec 9^th, 2013 at 3:41pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 2:20pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 1:49pm:

So who are the hypocrites in the Quran

The hypocrites the Quran refers to were the people in Medina who were against Muhammad and his message, but pretended to follow The Prophet. But really they were biding their time waiting for the right opportunity to move against The Prophet.

They also played on Muhammad's and islam's inherent tolerance to criticism, spreading rumours and insults to try and destabilise and destroy the Prophet.

Some islamic tolerance...

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Reply #470 - Dec 9^th, 2013 at 3:42pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 2:20pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 1:49pm:

So who are the hypocrites in the Quran

The hypocrites the Quran refers to were the people in Medina who were against Muhammad and his message, but pretended to follow The Prophet. But really they were biding their time waiting for the right opportunity to move against The Prophet.

They also played on Muhammad's and islam's inherent tolerance to criticism, spreading rumours and insults to try and destabilise and destroy the Prophet.

Some islamic tolerance...

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #471 - Dec 9^th, 2013 at 3:52pm Thats a man looking angry surrounded by some other guys. But you are right of course Grendel, it must be a meeting of regular normal Muslims who want to bring western civilisation to its knees
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Reply #472 - Dec 9^th, 2013 at 3:53pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 2:20pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 1:49pm:

So who are the hypocrites in the Quran

The hypocrites the Quran refers to were the people in Medina who were against Muhammad and his message, but pretended to follow The Prophet. But really they were biding their time waiting for the right opportunity to move against The Prophet.

They also played on Muhammad's and islam's inherent tolerance to criticism, spreading rumours and insults to try and destabilise and destroy the Prophet.

Some islamic tolerance...

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #473 - Dec 9^th, 2013 at 3:59pm church-burning.jpg Respected sources all around today in this thread
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #474 - Dec 9^th, 2013 at 5:37pm Grendel delivers with the real 'cut-through' argument.
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Reply #475 - Dec 9^th, 2013 at 8:07pm

Christians sheltering worldwide - and usually in non-developed nations. Those in civilised nations are beaten with legalities and 'Thou shall nots' - but still seek shelter.

Seeking shelter from whom?

The 'Great Satan' - or those who spread the the 'Religion of Peace'.

By their deeds you shall know them.

Christians (and everyone else) shelter and Muslims slaughter.

Of course, it's all to do with revenge for the atrocities of the 'West'. The 'Christians' (and everyone else).

Now we hear that Mandela's funeral could be a trap - that the leader of the 'Great Satan' could attend and thus pollute the Iranian president.

I mean really!

All bullshite aside, it's gonna take another Crusade.

Let's just hope we can win this one. It's almost come to all or nothing. Do the numbers and the politics.

Anyone want to offer odds?

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Toughen up, Australia!

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #476 - Dec 9^th, 2013 at 9:59pm polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 5:37pm: Grendel delivers with the real 'cut-through' argument. Your memory is either defective or very short gandalf... remember Rushdie, Hirsi Ali, the ruckuss caused by the Mohammed cartoon.... the list goes on and on and on re that "tolerance" you talk about.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #477 - Dec 9^th, 2013 at 10:09pm The war on Christians The global persecution of churchgoers is the unreported catastrophe of our time http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9041841/the-war-on-christians/
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Reply #478 - Dec 9^th, 2013 at 10:20pm

Soren wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 10:09pm:

The war on Christians

The global persecution of churchgoers is the unreported catastrophe of our time
http://cdn.spectator.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/explosive.jpg

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9041841/the-war-on-christians/

I wish that the moslems [and their apologists] in this forum, would stop persecuting me.

All of the time, they keep calling me names, bigot, genocide advocate, hater.

Its just not fair.

But i guess i've got it easy, compared to the Christians [and the members of other minorities], who live within moslem majority jurisdictions.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #479 - Dec 10^th, 2013 at 12:00pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 10:20pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 10:09pm:

The war on Christians

The global persecution of churchgoers is the unreported catastrophe of our time
http://cdn.spectator.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/explosive.jpg

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9041841/the-war-on-christians/

I wish that the moslems [and their apologists] in this forum, would stop persecuting me.

All of the time, they keep calling me names, bigot, genocide advocate, hater.

Its just not fair.

Isn't it? If the cap fits mate! Cheesy

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