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Reply #675 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:38am

Some people never see the light or the truth... sometimes subtleties are too much for some. Roll Eyes

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Sheik denies he led couple killed in Syria to take up radical cause
* by: Ben McClellan, Clementine Cuneo & Ashlee Mullany

A SHEIK who worshipped with the husband of a young, radicalised Sydney woman who was killed in Syria last week told his followers an Islamic caliphate - or state - in the war-torn country would be "beautiful news".

Sheik Omar El Banna used a YouTube video to tell followers that if the Syrian regime fell, "Allah will ask what change did you bring about?"

Before breaking into Arabic in the 2012 speech titled "Syria is My Responsibility", he urged those watching to take action, telling them: "I was ready for jihad."

But he denied yesterday that it was a call to arms for young Muslims such as Amira Karroum, 22, and her husband, Yusuf Ali, who were killed in the rebel-held town of Aleppo on Saturday.

He said it had been misinterpreted and wasn't meant to motivate his followers to fight, adding he discouraged people from joining the war.

Federal police will investigate how Ms Karroum and Mr Ali got into Syria and if they were assisted.

Mr Ali has been linked to Sydney Muslim radical Hamdi Alqudsi, 39, who was charged late last year and accused of being "actively involved" in recruiting six men and facilitating their travel to Syria to fight with terrorist groups Jabhat Al Nusra and al-Qaeda affiliates.

A memorial was held for the couple on Monday night at Sheik El Banna's Masjid Al Noor mosque in Granville, where Ms Karroum's sister, Rose, also worships.

Rose, who returned to the Gold Coast to be with her grieving mother Honor Deane yesterday, has pledged on Facebook: "Until Victory or Shahadah."

Sheik El Banna had worshipped with Mr Ali at Auburn's Omar mosque and, although he last saw him 12 months ago, he was aware he had travelled to Syria and said he may have been fighting in the civil war.

"Yusuf was very quiet, very gentle, a good natured person. He wanted to go and help. The (Karroum) family is in a lot of pain," he said.

"We received information he had secured accommodation. We heard after she left that she was going to catch up with her husband ... They wanted to help and they knew it was a dangerous situation. "

Sheik El Banna said Mr Ali migrated from the US four years ago and he said, because the couple was killed by fellow Sunnis from the Free Syrian Army, they couldn't necessarily be considered martyrs: "Martyrdom is something that no human can assess - only Allah can give this rank.

"I hear conflicting reports he was fighting, others say he was doing aid. I believe they were caught in a crossfire. It's not looked at as a wasteful death."

It emerged yesterday that Ms Karroum once likened a location in Sydney's southwest to "Osama Bin Laden's Cave".

Let the denials and apologies continue Roll Eyes

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #676 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:56am What kind of extremism was she involved in? Your posted articles still don't provide any evidence she was an extremist
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #677 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 10:30am see what I mean?
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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #678 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 12:20pm Grendel wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 10:30am: see what I mean? Does that mean there is no evidence, or what
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #679 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 1:12pm If reports are true that she was at the time in a FSA safehouse that was ambushed, then the irony is she was most likely killed by Al Qaeda affiliates. Would be jihadists go to Syria and are killed by actual jihadists.
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Reply #680 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 2:01pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 1:12pm:

If reports are true that she was at the time in a FSA safehouse that was ambushed, then the irony is she was most likely killed by Al Qaeda affiliates.

Would be jihadists go to Syria and are killed by actual jihadists. Embarrassed

Irony ?

No.

Grist for the mill.

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb.

ISLAM's primary task, ....ISLAM's reason for being, ....is to produce dead bodies, for the glory of Allah.

1,400 years and counting, and hundreds of millions of dead bodies.

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #681 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm Yadda wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 2:01pm: Irony ? No. Grist for the mill. I'm not sure get what irony is here yadda. She was in Syria and was killed by extremists, and yet the paper publishes her story as her being the very kind of people who killed her.
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Reply #682 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 4:01pm

Stratos wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 2:01pm:

Irony ?

No.

Grist for the mill.

I'm not sure get what irony is here yadda.

She was in Syria and was killed by extremists, and yet the paper publishes her story as her being the very kind of people who killed her.

Don't you see it Stratos ?

This was a kindly, innocent person, who was killed by other kindly, innocent persons.

What is not to believe ?

She went to Syria [as did her husband], to provide 'aid' to the victims of the conflict in Syria.

What is not to believe ?

The moslems, are the virtuous people.

Always doing 'good works' for their religion.

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #683 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 4:45pm Am I still missing something? What exactly has she been accused of?
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Reply #684 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 5:35pm

Stratos wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 4:45pm:

Am I still missing something?
What exactly has she been accused of?

Poor Amira Karroum.

What has she been accused of ?

Not 'accused', ....she is a self declared moslem.

And a moslem, is a person who chooses to follow a philosophy, which teaches moslems, that it is lawful for them [moslems] to either subjugate [i.e. enslave], or murder, all of mankind - IN THE NAME OF ISLAM.

Amira Karroum.

A moslem, celebrating death, murder and the oppression of mankind, by willingly giving aid and comfort to her 'fellow travellers' in ISLAM [a death cult].

AND WHAT IS ISLAM 'ABOUT' ?

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Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
...DDA

Google it.

ISLAMIC 'CULTURE' EXPRESSED, FROM THE KORAN....

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

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But Stratos is still going to claim that he is unable to 'join the dots', regarding the true intentions of moslems [towards those who are not moslems].

Stratos is going to pretend he is dumb, and that he can't understand, what it is, that ISLAM promotes and encourages, among its adherents.

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Dictionary;
terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Poor innocent Amira Karroum, ...NOT!!!

Amira Karroum, a committed [dead] moslem.

And ISLAM produces,
1/ human poverty,
and,
2/ dead bodies,
PERIOD.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #686 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 7:31pm

Stratos wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 7:20pm:

By declaring someone guilty with no evidence other than their religion, you are no better than the extremists you condemn on a daily basis

But Yadda has so much more than that Stratos. He has his google search strings, his Amjem Choudary quotes, the 'islam4peace' bus advertisement and his beheading placards.

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #687 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:16pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 7:31pm:

Stratos wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 7:20pm:

By declaring someone guilty with no evidence other than their religion, you are no better than the extremists you condemn on a daily basis

But Yadda has so much more than that Stratos. He has his google search strings, his Amjem Choudary quotes, the 'islam4peace' bus advertisement and his beheading placards.

Why do you suppose it is, you remain in abject failure to reply to my posts to you Gand? Like one of your more recent failures on this thread at this link:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379233325/672#672

Or this one on the history of Mecca:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388067196/20#20

And a dozen or so other failures I can list. Why do you suppose it is you are unable to reply?

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Truth can never be told so as to be understood and not be believed. ~ William Blake

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Reply #688 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:31pm

Stratos wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 7:20pm:

By declaring someone guilty with no evidence other than their religion, you are no better than the extremists you condemn on a daily basis

Your claim is absurd.

Dictionary;
absurd = = wildly unreasonable, illogical, or inappropriate.

Stratos,

You are the one who is being unreasonable.

Why so ?

Because it is moslems, that associate themselves with a criminal organisation [by our laws], and when i point this out, you say;
'Where is your proof that moslems associate themselves with a criminal organisation!'

Stratos,

The fact that you dismiss evidence [in the world] that is before your eyes [which condemns moslems], is deplorable, and shows your own criminal inclinations, imo.
[i.e. a culpable willingness to protect and excuse criminal behaviour and intent, in others.]

It is clearly evident, that ISLAM is a criminal organisation [by our laws].

And, it is 'innocent' moslems who choose to associate themselves, with that criminal organisation!

Local moslems vandalise a church in Germany
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1386582212/67#67
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Stratos wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 11:21am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:49am:

ISLAM is political philosophy which [it can be demonstrated!] uses common age-old political 'mechanisms' [like lying, deception, intimidation, and extreme violence], in seeking to pursue its [ISLAM's] political aims.

Deplorable definitely, where it occurs, and the majority of the worlds Muslims would agree with you and I on that.

bad yes, but not as bad as standing up on behalf of baby killers like the Israelites in the Old Testament like you are doing.

Stratos,

Then WHY do those moslems, the majority of the worlds moslems, choose to associate themselves with ISLAM ???

Paraphrasing Stratos,
"The majority of moslems [pretend that they] are not moslems Yadda.
When are you going to stop being a hate-monger Yadda ?"

Projection.

i.e. The majority of the worlds moslems, choose to associate themselves with a philosophy, which actively projects hatred towards those people who are not moslems.

But you are a hate-monger Yadda, for continually pointing that fact out.

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Yadda wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 1:47pm:

From what i know, from my study, of ISLAM's own texts, and doctrines, i would confidently make this statement;

Every good moslem in Australia [and indeed, every good moslem on the planet], by **self declaring** as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.

Every moslem!

Every non-moslem should be aware and recognise, that ISLAM is in fact, a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against ALL non-moslems ['unbelievers'].

And in my estimation, every good moslem **does understand** what his/her **religious** OBLIGATION is, to ISLAM, and to fellow moslems.

MORE EVIDENCE OF ISLAM'S MALEVOLENCE;

Quote:

Mild mannered - "We will govern for all Egyptians"
- Mohamed Morsi -
Ex-President of Egypt

"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg

And again i cry out against a deplorable circumstance;
Quote:

But Stratos is still going to claim that he is unable to 'join the dots', regarding the true intentions of moslems [towards those who are not moslems].

Stratos is going to pretend he is dumb, and that he can't understand, what it is, that ISLAM promotes and encourages, among its adherents.

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Dictionary;
terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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