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Reply #705 - Jan 16^th, 2014 at 12:45am

Stratos wrote on Jan 16^th, 2014 at 12:31am:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2014 at 12:24am:

Another part-sentence quote is not surprising, from someone that is such a coward and so afraid of truth, while doing everything in his power to perpetrate lies, that he is afraid to even include the complete sentence that he quotes from my post in his own signature, so folks can see what I wrote and judge for themselves.

Like i said, there is literally nothing except for, "just kidding" that could justify that sentence.

Yes, you did indeed express your opinion previously, but you are only further confirming your cowardice by not including the whole sentence.
If you actually believed your shallow knee-jerk opinion had any value, you wouldn't feel threatened by including the whole sentence, so others that actually have a capacity to think critically could form their own opinion. That is why you are so afraid of including it. Besides your natural compulsion toward the half-truths of dissimulation for the father of lies.

Stratos wrote on Jan 16^th, 2014 at 12:31am:

You support the slaughter of infants and are STILL trying to justify it.

But that's OK, because God said so.

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #706 - Jan 16^th, 2014 at 1:16am

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2014 at 12:45am:

Yes, you did indeed express your opinion previously

Comparing it to your opinions that the slaughter of innocent babies can be justified and excused, i'll stick with mine.

Seriously, I would have thought you would have given up trying to support infanticide, but there is just no reasoning with some extremists.....

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #707 - Jan 16^th, 2014 at 6:48am

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:16pm:

Why do you suppose it is, you remain in abject failure to reply to my posts to you Gand? Like one of your more recent failures on this thread at this link:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379233325/672#672

Or this one on the history of Mecca:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388067196/20#20

And a dozen or so other failures I can list. Why do you suppose it is you are unable to reply?

Sorry Pete, but I kinda tuned out to your posts quite a while back. Apart from being too long and rambling, you are rather rather too fanatical with your religious dogma to debate rationally with.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #708 - Jan 16^th, 2014 at 8:43pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 16^th, 2014 at 6:48am:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:16pm:

Why do you suppose it is, you remain in abject failure to reply to my posts to you Gand? Like one of your more recent failures on this thread at this link:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379233325/672#672

Or this one on the history of Mecca:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388067196/20#20

And a dozen or so other failures I can list. Why do you suppose it is you are unable to reply?

Sorry Pete, but I kinda tuned out to your posts quite a while back. Apart from being too long and rambling.....

Ah yes, information and objective reality are the bane of Islam, aren't they.

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #709 - Jan 16^th, 2014 at 9:12pm

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 16^th, 2014 at 6:48am:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:16pm:

Why do you suppose it is, you remain in abject failure to reply to my posts to you Gand? Like one of your more recent failures on this thread at this link:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379233325/672#672

Or this one on the history of Mecca:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388067196/20#20

And a dozen or so other failures I can list. Why do you suppose it is you are unable to reply?

Sorry Pete, but I kinda tuned out to your posts quite a while back. Apart from being too long and rambling.....

Ah yes, information and objective reality are the bane of Islam, aren't they.

LOL, don't confuse the rubbish you post as informational or objective reality.

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #710 - Jan 16^th, 2014 at 10:00pm

Datalife wrote on Jan 16^th, 2014 at 9:12pm:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 16^th, 2014 at 6:48am:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:16pm:

Why do you suppose it is, you remain in abject failure to reply to my posts to you Gand? Like one of your more recent failures on this thread at this link:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379233325/672#672

Or this one on the history of Mecca:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388067196/20#20

And a dozen or so other failures I can list. Why do you suppose it is you are unable to reply?

Sorry Pete, but I kinda tuned out to your posts quite a while back. Apart from being too long and rambling.....

Ah yes, information and objective reality are the bane of Islam, aren't they.

LOL, don't confuse the rubbish you post as informational or objective reality.

As someone who makes their decisions about a subject, while insisting on self-admitted self-imposed abject ignorance of a subject, your post doesn't come as a surprise either.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388621936/81#81

So then you have information, that suggests that Mecca existed prior to the 4th century AD?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388067196/20#20

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #711 - Mar 5^th, 2014 at 12:51pm

In the spirit of mindless necroposting purely the sake of petty point scoring...

check out these spineless aplogetics:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2007 at 4:01pm:

The more violent aspects of Islam have only emerged relatively recently.

freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2007 at 7:14pm:

You didn't expect it to be easy did you? You can't expect people to join you in your muslim bashing after one or two scare stories. People get tired of getting worked up over each new 'threat' to our society, especially if it is another minority group who are 'all the same'.

freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2007 at 7:14pm:

You do have a tendency to tar all muslims with the same brush.

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2007 at 3:04am:

And no... it's not an Australian cultural trait to 'rape.'

Neither is it a Muslim thing.

and my personal favourite...

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2007 at 5:56pm:

What we need to do is stop alienating the entire muslim community and work with them towards the goals we have in common. The more we tar them all with the same brush, the more we push weaker individuals towards extremism.

FD, in light of your own sage advise, do you believe that your antics during the last couple of years is the sort of behaviour that "pushes weaker individuals towards extremism"?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #712 - Mar 5^th, 2014 at 12:57pm How did you even find something that old?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #713 - Mar 5^th, 2014 at 1:09pm first thread on the last page of this forum. Obviously before Abu and Falah came on and set FD's mind straight.
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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #714 - Mar 5^th, 2014 at 1:10pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 12:51pm:

In the spirit of mindless necroposting purely the sake of petty point scoring...

check out these spineless aplogetics:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2007 at 4:01pm:

The more violent aspects of Islam have only emerged relatively recently.

freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2007 at 7:14pm:

You didn't expect it to be easy did you? You can't expect people to join you in your muslim bashing after one or two scare stories. People get tired of getting worked up over each new 'threat' to our society, especially if it is another minority group who are 'all the same'.

freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2007 at 7:14pm:

You do have a tendency to tar all muslims with the same brush.

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2007 at 3:04am:

And no... it's not an Australian cultural trait to 'rape.'

Neither is it a Muslim thing.

and my personal favourite...

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2007 at 5:56pm:

What we need to do is stop alienating the entire muslim community and work with them towards the goals we have in common. The more we tar them all with the same brush, the more we push weaker individuals towards extremism.

FD, in light of your own sage advise, do you believe that your antics during the last couple of years is the sort of behaviour that "pushes weaker individuals towards extremism"?

gandalf,

We live in a world of change.

It is encouraging for all of us, when we see examples of how when human individuals, being exposed to, before unseen information, are prepared to 'amend' their views and their opinions.

Yes ?

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Reply #715 - Mar 5^th, 2014 at 1:18pm

Quite so Y.

What I can't shake though is the feeling that the FD who wrote these things 7 years ago would label the FD who writes what he writes today as bigoted, narrow minded and baselessly "tarring people with the same brush".

I don't believe FD has become wiser or better informed. Quite the opposite in fact. I actually find this very sad.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #716 - Mar 5^th, 2014 at 1:27pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 1:18pm:

Quite so Y.

What I can't shake though is the feeling that the FD who wrote these things 7 years ago would label the FD who writes what he writes today as bigoted, narrow minded and baselessly "tarring people with the same brush".

I don't believe FD has become wiser or better informed. Quite the opposite in fact. I actually find this very sad.

In a game of poker, one only becomes 'wiser or better informed' after the game has finished.

After all of the cards are laid down on the table - for everyone to see.

gandalf,

I'm sure that moslems do not gamble. Tongue

But in my opinion, in a similar fashion, moslems are not disclosing what cards they are holding - in the 'game' they are playing against those who are not moslems.

And it is only with disclosure [or, exposure?] of all of the facts, that a person can make an informed judgement on an issue.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #717 - Mar 5^th, 2014 at 2:01pm

Yadda wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 1:27pm:

And it is only with disclosure [or, exposure?] of all of the facts, that a person can make an informed judgement on an issue.

Agree 100%. In 2007 FD correctly criticised those who were making uninformed judgements about muslim issues. Now its almost like he goes out of his way to trash this previous sentiment.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #718 - Mar 5^th, 2014 at 4:33pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 12:51pm:

In the spirit of mindless necroposting purely the sake of petty point scoring...

check out these spineless aplogetics:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2007 at 4:01pm:

The more violent aspects of Islam have only emerged relatively recently.

freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2007 at 7:14pm:

You didn't expect it to be easy did you? You can't expect people to join you in your muslim bashing after one or two scare stories. People get tired of getting worked up over each new 'threat' to our society, especially if it is another minority group who are 'all the same'.

freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2007 at 7:14pm:

You do have a tendency to tar all muslims with the same brush.

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2007 at 3:04am:

And no... it's not an Australian cultural trait to 'rape.'

Neither is it a Muslim thing.

and my personal favourite...

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2007 at 5:56pm:

What we need to do is stop alienating the entire muslim community and work with them towards the goals we have in common. The more we tar them all with the same brush, the more we push weaker individuals towards extremism.

FD, in light of your own sage advise, do you believe that your antics during the last couple of years is the sort of behaviour that "pushes weaker individuals towards extremism"?

This is appalling. I can't believe someone in FD's position would resort to such spineless apologetics.

GUILTY.

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Reply #719 - Mar 5^th, 2014 at 5:53pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 4:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 12:51pm:

In the spirit of mindless necroposting purely the sake of petty point scoring...

check out these spineless aplogetics:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2007 at 4:01pm:

The more violent aspects of Islam have only emerged relatively recently.

freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2007 at 7:14pm:

You didn't expect it to be easy did you? You can't expect people to join you in your muslim bashing after one or two scare stories. People get tired of getting worked up over each new 'threat' to our society, especially if it is another minority group who are 'all the same'.

freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2007 at 7:14pm:

You do have a tendency to tar all muslims with the same brush.

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2007 at 3:04am:

And no... it's not an Australian cultural trait to 'rape.'

Neither is it a Muslim thing.

and my personal favourite...

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2007 at 5:56pm:

What we need to do is stop alienating the entire muslim community and work with them towards the goals we have in common. The more we tar them all with the same brush, the more we push weaker individuals towards extremism.

FD, in light of your own sage advise, do you believe that your antics during the last couple of years is the sort of behaviour that "pushes weaker individuals towards extremism"?

This is appalling. I can't believe someone in FD's position would resort to such spineless apologetics.

GUILTY.

I tend to be more forgiving to those who make mistakes and then change for the better.

Bernard Hickey OAM- Australia is the land of the second chance.

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