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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #75 - Sep 20^th, 2013 at 6:58pm freediver wrote on Sep 20^th, 2013 at 5:58pm: This should be fun. I challenge you to find a single Muslim who does not consider what you said to be spineless. yup, right here.
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Reply #76 - Sep 20^th, 2013 at 7:03pm

freediver wrote on Sep 20^th, 2013 at 5:58pm:

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Some may, some may not

This should be fun. I challenge you to find a single Muslim who does not consider what you said to be spineless.

Gandalf? Do you think what I'm doing is spineless? Wink

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You can't claim a majority "think it is spineless", FD, so your comment is nonsense.

Not a majorty. All of them. I don't even have to ask them to know they think your words are spineless. Some concepts are universal, even for Muslims.

So you know, do you, FD? And how do you know? You admit that you haven't asked them, yet you claim to know the opinions of ~1.7 billion people? Shocked

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Exactly and you're the one who is subjecting innocent Muslims to grinding oppression, FD. Proud?

This is a good example of the torturous mental gymnastics you need to perform to justify your spineless attitude.

No, its telling the truth, FD. That you refuse to recognise it as such, simply indicates how prejudiced you are. Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 42416	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #77 - Sep 20^th, 2013 at 7:06pm polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 20^th, 2013 at 6:58pm: freediver wrote on Sep 20^th, 2013 at 5:58pm: This should be fun. I challenge you to find a single Muslim who does not consider what you said to be spineless. yup, right here. Thanks, Gandalf. So, FD, you going to admit the error of your claim?
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Reply #78 - Sep 20^th, 2013 at 7:08pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 20^th, 2013 at 6:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20^th, 2013 at 3:04pm:

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I accept alternative explanations when they are provided because you have already made your mind up.

Why don't I see anything in there about you thinking for yourself?

Your thinking about Muslims is prejudiced, FD.

You are a bigot.

Change your views and my analysis of them will change. Stop continually attacking Muslims for the most inane things and I'll reconsider my views about you. However, we both know it isn't going to happen, now is it? Roll Eyes

brian,

So, people like FD [who ask that moslems give an account of the tenets of their faith], are bigots?

No, a bigot is someone who refuses to accept their account, after asking for it.

Both you and FD refuse to accept any alternative explanation other than the propaganda that you disseminate. Roll Eyes

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #79 - Sep 20^th, 2013 at 7:10pm Refusing to demonize muslims in collective condemnation for the crimes of a few? Uhuh - sure sounds like something muslims would consider 'spineless'
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Reply #80 - Sep 21^st, 2013 at 9:29am

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 20^th, 2013 at 6:58pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 20^th, 2013 at 5:58pm:

This should be fun. I challenge you to find a single Muslim who does not consider what you said to be spineless.

yup, right here.

Would you mind giving your opinion on this Gandalf?

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them.

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Reply #81 - Sep 21^st, 2013 at 9:36am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20^th, 2013 at 7:06pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 20^th, 2013 at 6:58pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 20^th, 2013 at 5:58pm:

This should be fun. I challenge you to find a single Muslim who does not consider what you said to be spineless.

yup, right here.

Thanks, Gandalf. So, FD, you going to admit the error of your claim? Roll Eyes

Bump! So, FD? Roll Eyes

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49426 At my desk.	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #82 - Sep 21^st, 2013 at 9:44am It's only fair to make sure Gandalf knows what he is giving his opinion on first.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #83 - Sep 21^st, 2013 at 12:00pm Brian's position that muslim's shouldn't be collectively tarred with the same brush for the actions/views of a few - is perfectly reasonable and not the least bit 'spineless'. You really did ask for that one FD - what did you expect me to say - that its "spineless" to refuse to partake in prejudism against muslims?
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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 42416	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #84 - Sep 21^st, 2013 at 2:55pm freediver wrote on Sep 21^st, 2013 at 9:44am: It's only fair to make sure Gandalf knows what he is giving his opinion on first. Do have such a low opinion of Gandalf that you would assume that he doesn't understand my position? So, where is your apology, FD? Or has your hyperbole got control of you?
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Reply #85 - Sep 21^st, 2013 at 5:48pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

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Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights?
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7 nations where atheism is punishable by death.
All 7 establish Islam as the state religion.
Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-...

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

So you are happy with your spineless position on not being critical of Islam despite the fact there is a death penalty for being atheist in 7 countries that have Islam as the state religion, if it was christians persecuting atheists would you speak up?

The Australians from their religion like Ikebal Patel the President of the Australian federation of Islamic councils have made numerous submissions to parliament asking us to consider sharia law with the concept of legal pluralism,since they are making their religion political are you going to grow a backbone and criticise Islam in Australia?

If you click on- 81. Australian federation of Islamic councils read the PDF.
Link-www.aph.gov.au/parliamentary_business/committees/house_of_representatives_commit...

I suppose for fairness like you always claim how about reading
125.Federation of Australian Buddhist councils. PDF and see how they differ.

Here is a link to the aussie muslims forum with Abu Rashid saying muslims should make propaganda for sharia law,Abu is the absent moderator of this sub forum.
www.aussiemuslims.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-43565.html

Kishori Saran Lal did statistics on the Quran, he puts it at 62% political ideology and only 38% for religion, are you willing to criticise Political islam in Australia?

If muslims want to make their religion political then surely all aspects of Islam are open for criticism.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 42416	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #86 - Sep 21^st, 2013 at 6:01pm I suggest you read this and the other numerous threads where Muslims are attacked, BV. I believe I have answered all your questions already. I see little value in repeating myself if you are unwilling to accept the answers already tendered.
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Reply #87 - Sep 21^st, 2013 at 6:17pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 21^st, 2013 at 6:01pm:

I suggest you read this and the other numerous threads where Muslims are attacked, BV. I believe I have answered all your questions already. I see little value n repeating myself if you are unwilling to accept the answers already tendered. Roll Eyes

No chance of you growing a backbone then?

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Reply #88 - Sep 21^st, 2013 at 6:41pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 21^st, 2013 at 6:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 21^st, 2013 at 6:01pm:

I suggest you read this and the other numerous threads where Muslims are attacked, BV. I believe I have answered all your questions already. I see little value n repeating myself if you are unwilling to accept the answers already tendered. Roll Eyes

No chance of you growing a backbone then?

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Reply #89 - Sep 21^st, 2013 at 9:05pm

No ideology or religion or philosophy deserves respect simply by being an ideology, religion or philosophy. Respect is GIVEN if merited. It cannot be demanded.

Islam doesn't deserve my respect and the respect of millions of others. If you are a follower of Islam, I do not respect you FOR THAT. You do not deserve respect for believing Mohammed.

No-one has to respect Islam, Communism, Fascism, Liberal democracy, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism or the Dreamtime Serpent

So, Brain, Gandy, et al - get a grip if you haven't already. Islam is not exempt from contempt and ridicule. If people want to say that Islam is a buggered ideology - who the hell are you to stand in their way?

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