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Reply #780 - Aug 13^th, 2014 at 10:53am

|dev|null wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 10:11am:

freediver wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 9:56am:

Datalife wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 8:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 8:00pm:

I must wonder though, how the events of 100 years ago has much bearing on how Muslims today act, now, as members of Australian society. None of the Australian Muslim population were alive 100 years ago and most of their ancestor were resident in other countries at the time.

Lol, I guess you won't be using the crusades as an excuse any more. Cool

In fact I am going to save that comment of yours for future reference.

I call strawman. I can't find any reference to "Crusades" in any post by Brian when I've done a search. So perhaps he'd like to provide a link to prove Brian has used the Crusades as an "excuse".

Oh look, here's one:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 8:40pm:

Your comment, if you merely changed a few words could just as equally describe Christians, Soren. They've been at each other's throats since it came to predominate in Europe. Forgotten the various religious wars and "crusades" conducted there over the last millennia? Roll Eyes

In true Brian style, completely out of the blue, in a transparent attempt to change the topic (or, "make a parallel" as Brian likes to excuse it).

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Reply #781 - Aug 13^th, 2014 at 11:46am

|dev|null wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 10:39am:

freediver wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 10:17am:

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I call strawman. I can't find any reference to "Crusades" in any post by Brian when I've done a search.

Well I guess that proves it. Move along people, nothing to see here, except tag team apologetics at its best.

As against the inconsistency of criticism (ie it is perfectly OK for Adamant and DL to make up lies but it's a heinous crime when someone actually looks at Islam with an open mind).

Exactly. IT’s called Freeedom in case you didn’t know.

It’s the FD version of Taqiyya.

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Reply #783 - Aug 13^th, 2014 at 11:52am

Karnal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 10:39am:

freediver wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 10:17am:

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I call strawman. I can't find any reference to "Crusades" in any post by Brian when I've done a search.

Well I guess that proves it. Move along people, nothing to see here, except tag team apologetics at its best.

As against the inconsistency of criticism (ie it is perfectly OK for Adamant and DL to make up lies but it's a heinous crime when someone actually looks at Islam with an open mind).

Exactly. IT’s called Freeedom in case you didn’t know.

It’s the FD version of Taqiyya.

Shurely not? Not our above criticism FD? Grin

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Reply #785 - Aug 13^th, 2014 at 12:24pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 11:51am:

Well done, FD you found one and then only a passing reference and making a "parallel" not an excuse.

So, you still being inconsistent in your criticism?

Wheres your apologia for Adamant's lies? Grin

Considering the search function only returns 30 hits, most of those hits were taken up by yesterday's conversation and brainless has 2337 posts on this forum (how many posts on the last forum?) it is amazing it found one at all.

The forum screams out for a better search function.

You can try and build a case that brainless has never used the crusades as an excuse but those who have read him and have a memory will realise that you are just doing your normal tag team tard routine *waves to Brian*.

Anyway it is gleefully saved now for future use.

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 8:00pm:

I must wonder though, how the events of 100 years ago has much bearing on how Muslims today act, now, as members of Australian society. None of the Australian Muslim population were alive 100 years ago and most of their ancestor were resident in other countries at the time.

And tag team tard also has the problem of future spelling of xenophobia Grin

. Gonna be interesting how you resolve that one, pretty damning which ever way you jump.

Feel like the walls are closing in on your lies? Has Brian figured out if he is an academic or not yet?

Ahhhhhh this is fun.

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Reply #786 - Aug 13^th, 2014 at 12:28pm

The site does have a refined search function. You can search for posts by brian using the word crusade. You can also try google, which is a bit quicker. The following search returns about 600 results:

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Brian Ross Crusades site:ozpolitic.com

You would probably have to post all 600 to convince HB that Brian makes a habit of this. Or more likely, you would get 600 excuses.

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Reply #787 - Aug 13^th, 2014 at 1:13pm

freediver wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 11:55am:

Please excuse the oversight. Datalife, it was wrong of you to accuse Brian of making excuses. That would be an attempt at rationality. Brian merely draws parallels. There is no need to excuse these atrocities because Muslims have every right to commit them, according to Brian.

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I've never seen Brian excuse anything. I've seen a lot of explanation from him but never anything that could be considered an excuse. Even the quote you provide is an explanation! Grin

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Reply #788 - Aug 13^th, 2014 at 1:15pm

freediver wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 12:28pm:

The site does have a refined search function. You can search for posts by brian using the word crusade. You can also try google, which is a bit quicker. The following search returns about 600 results:

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Brian Ross Crusades site:ozpolitic.com

You would probably have to post all 600 to convince HB that Brian makes a habit of this. Or more likely, you would get 600 excuses.

All about context FD as you well know. Brian could be mentioning "crusades" in a completely different context and of course as even DL pointed out, it could be other people quoting him, which increases the count. Grin

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Reply #789 - Aug 13^th, 2014 at 1:52pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 1:13pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 11:55am:

Please excuse the oversight. Datalife, it was wrong of you to accuse Brian of making excuses. That would be an attempt at rationality. Brian merely draws parallels. There is no need to excuse these atrocities because Muslims have every right to commit them, according to Brian.

You really are quite a low-life aren't you FD?

I've never seen Brian excuse anything. I've seen a lot of explanation from him but never anything that could be considered an excuse. Even the quote you provide is an explanation! Grin

You are confused HB. Why would Brian excuse the atrocities of Muslims when they have every right to commit these atrocities?

freediver wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 6:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

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Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights?
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7 nations where atheism is punishable by death.
All 7 establish Islam as the state religion.
Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-...

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

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All about context FD as you well know. Brian could be mentioning "crusades" in a completely different context and of course as even DL pointed out, it could be other people quoting him, which increases the count.

He does mention them in completely different contexts. It's called drawing parallels. If 600 results is not enough to convince you, try this as an experiment. Post a new thread about a recent atrocity by Muslims. Then see how long it takes for Brian to draw a parallel to the crusades, or some other nasty thing done by Christians in the last 20 centuries.

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Reply #790 - Aug 13^th, 2014 at 2:24pm

freediver wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 1:52pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 1:13pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 11:55am:

Please excuse the oversight. Datalife, it was wrong of you to accuse Brian of making excuses. That would be an attempt at rationality. Brian merely draws parallels. There is no need to excuse these atrocities because Muslims have every right to commit them, according to Brian.

You really are quite a low-life aren't you FD?

I've never seen Brian excuse anything. I've seen a lot of explanation from him but never anything that could be considered an excuse. Even the quote you provide is an explanation! Grin

You are confused HB. Why would Brian excuse the atrocities of Muslims when they have every right to commit these atrocities?

freediver wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 6:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

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Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights?
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7 nations where atheism is punishable by death.
All 7 establish Islam as the state religion.
Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-...

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

Tell me, FD do you think the citizens of other nations have the right to criticise Australia and force change upon us? I know Brian was talking about and it doesn't mean what you keep claiming it means.

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All about context FD as you well know. Brian could be mentioning "crusades" in a completely different context and of course as even DL pointed out, it could be other people quoting him, which increases the count.

He does mention them in completely different contexts. It's called drawing parallels. If 600 results is not enough to convince you, try this as an experiment. Post a new thread about a recent atrocity by Muslims. Then see how long it takes for Brian to draw a parallel to the crusades, or some other nasty thing done by Christians in the last 20 centuries.

He might also be saying some one is personally engaged in a crusade, FD. Ever consider that? Grin

I must admit, these personal attack threads are always such jolly fun. They reveal so much about the mindset of those making the attacks. Karnal has you bang to rights, I reckon. Cheesy

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Reply #791 - Aug 13^th, 2014 at 2:40pm

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Tell me, FD do you think the citizens of other nations have the right to criticise Australia

This may come as a surprise to a fan of Brian, but yes.

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and force change upon us?

Like when the Europeans interfered in the middle east to end slavery?

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I know Brian was talking about and it doesn't mean what you keep claiming it means.

I am not claiming anything. I am quoting him directly. I realise how misleading this can be. It takes a lot of explanation to reveal Brian's true meaning, doesn't it?

By the way, this is your chance to explain it all away on Brian's behalf. Brian has had a bit of trouble doing so, seeing as he insists on standing by what he actually said. Just as it requires Brian to completely ignore Muslims in order to defend them, you must completely ignore what Brian says in order to defend what he says.

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He might also be saying some one is personally engaged in a crusade, FD. Ever consider that?

I was there at the time. I don't need to imagine what Brian carries on with. I quoted one example for you, and gave a reference to 600 more google results. I was only joking when I suggested you might try to excuse them all. But go ahead, be my guest.

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Reply #794 - Aug 13^th, 2014 at 8:13pm

freediver wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

OK, I do not consider the imposition of change on others to be a fundamental human right.

Got any more stupid questions?

Now now, there are no right or wrong questions, FD.

Sometimes a question is just a question, remember. You’ve been asking Brian the same question for 53 pages.

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