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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #810 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 6:30pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 6:11pm: You're taking a modernist approach, which we are informed by so many of the Islamophobes is impossible in Islam. I'd be worried about death threats from the Islamophobes for daring to throw their claims about Islam and Muslims into doubt!
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #811 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 9:10pm It's OK, Brian does not really believe all the crap he spews here: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 6:29pm: Ever consider that just as I give you and your ilk a hard time, I may give them a hard time? I can invariably argue both sides of most debates I become involved with.
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Reply #812 - Aug 17^th, 2014 at 9:35am

Don't forget your disclaimers when Brian is around:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 8:33am:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 11:33pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 11:02pm:

So if I discover tomorrow morning that my front lawn is chewed down to grass level and declare "rabbits did this", I must necessarily mean every single rabbit in the world took a bite from my lawn overnight?

No but when you make a claim about "Muslims" you are implying that all Muslims are what you claim.

Why is it different Brian? If I found black flags on my lawn instead and proclaimed "Muslims did this", would I be mistakenly insisting that every Muslim in the world turned up my lawn overnight and left their jihad flag behind?

When you state, "Muslims believe this," or "Muslims do that," you are speaking of the collective, plural, implying all Muslims believe or do something, FD. When you state "Muslims have done this," you are describing the action of a group, not that all Muslims have done the thing you're claiming. English appears to be a second language to you, FD or are you merely being deliberately obtuse and attempting to wriggle out (again)? Roll Eyes

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Reply #814 - Aug 18^th, 2014 at 12:39pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 1:05am:

Soren wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 8:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 1:26am:

Soren wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 10:04pm:

What's wrong with being utterly unsympathetic to all its premises and teachings and all the actions committed and performed in its name? Why do I have to like the bloody thing??

You don't but you have to tolerate it and it's adherents when they are not breaking any laws, Soren. Intense dislike, to the point of hatred which is unreasoning is bigotry.

I am tolerating them, numpty. I am not doing any of the intolerant things that the sons of Allah do every day - threaten death, violence and actually carry out violence and murder.

No, you just persecute them because of their religious beliefs, Soren, every day and in every post that you post in this forum. Roll Eyes

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I am simply SAYING that Islam has nothing to recommend it.

No, you carry it beyond "simply" saying to persecution. You attack and rail against anything and anybody who is Muslim. One only has to read your responses to Gandalf's reasoned pointed to see that. Roll Eyes

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Reply #815 - Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:50pm

wally1 wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:33am:

Last night on TV it showed that 1,700 Iraqi soldiers put down their
weapons & surrendered to ISIS.

They were herded like cattle & all executed.

Those soldiers underestimated the murderous zeal of ISIS militants...

Maybe they thought the mythical sense of Islamic brotherhood guided the judgement of their enemies.

ISIS are murdering barbaric animals - worse than Nazis.

They must be exterminated off the face of the planet.

There are so many groups fighting in syria/iraq, many flying the black flag.

When ISIS took over mosul, they treated the people very well. Not every violent act is from ISIS.

“We all thought ISIS fighters will hurt people, but they did not do so,” said shop owner Fahad, referring to militants from the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS). “It is 100 percent safe here. The only thing we suffer from is the lack of public services.”

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Reply #816 - Aug 18^th, 2014 at 9:34pm

Lately everything seems to be either a personal attack on Brian or persecution of Muslims.

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:50pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

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I served with a Muslim in the Australian Army

Was this before or after your academic career?

Before. And what have you done with your life, FD?

I've been many things over the years. Grin

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:56pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:51pm:

First I was an astronaut. Then a brain surgeon. These days I sell carpets. It's funny where life takes you hey?

Oh, and before Annie gets upset, enough of the banter, you got anything relevant to say about the thread, FD or you just going to attack me personally? Roll Eyes

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #817 - Aug 18^th, 2014 at 10:19pm I'm happy for this to be the official 'vent at Brian' thread - since you seem so obsessed about it FD. I just ask that you don't go spamming what could be serious discussions with your petty attacks.
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Reply #818 - Aug 19^th, 2014 at 9:56am

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 10:19pm:

I'm happy for this to be the official 'vent at Brian' thread - since you seem so obsessed about it FD. I just ask that you don't go spamming what could be serious discussions with your petty attacks.

FD does seem to have a thing for Brian. Perhaps Brian has another stalker? Afterall, DL does seem to enjoy creeping around keeping tabs on him so much. Grin

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Reply #819 - Aug 19^th, 2014 at 12:03pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 9:56am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 10:19pm:

I'm happy for this to be the official 'vent at Brian' thread - since you seem so obsessed about it FD. I just ask that you don't go spamming what could be serious discussions with your petty attacks.

FD does seem to have a thing for Brian. Perhaps Brian has another stalker? Afterall, DL does seem to enjoy creeping around keeping tabs on him so much. Grin

Thanks for that gratuitous mention. Tell me dopey, who was taunting who from a post on another forum of which I am not a member and that you gleefully repeated here hoping to get a response?

Hmmmmmm?

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Reply #820 - Aug 19^th, 2014 at 12:11pm

Datalife wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 12:03pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 9:56am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 10:19pm:

I'm happy for this to be the official 'vent at Brian' thread - since you seem so obsessed about it FD. I just ask that you don't go spamming what could be serious discussions with your petty attacks.

FD does seem to have a thing for Brian. Perhaps Brian has another stalker? Afterall, DL does seem to enjoy creeping around keeping tabs on him so much. Grin

Thanks for that gratuitous mention. Tell me dopey, who was taunting who from a post on another forum of which I am not a member and that you gleefully repeated here hoping to get a response?

Hmmmmmm?

Who? Me?

You going to deny that you follow Brian around like a little puppy dog?

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Reply #821 - Aug 19^th, 2014 at 1:40pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 12:11pm:

Datalife wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 12:03pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 9:56am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 10:19pm:

I'm happy for this to be the official 'vent at Brian' thread - since you seem so obsessed about it FD. I just ask that you don't go spamming what could be serious discussions with your petty attacks.

FD does seem to have a thing for Brian. Perhaps Brian has another stalker? Afterall, DL does seem to enjoy creeping around keeping tabs on him so much. Grin

Thanks for that gratuitous mention. Tell me dopey, who was taunting who from a post on another forum of which I am not a member and that you gleefully repeated here hoping to get a response?

Hmmmmmm?

Who? Me?

You going to deny that you follow Brian around like a little puppy dog?

I respond to his posts on this forum. As you do mine, cept I wouldn't be stupid enough to accuse you of stalking because you respond to my posts. That's what forums are about.

He also, as you so helpfully pointed out, taunts me from another forum, which he owns, of which I am not a member and in which, if I joined, I would likely be banned and most definitely censored.

Brian is so lovelorn he posts about me on his own forum, now who is stalking who bozo? Cool

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Reply #822 - Aug 19^th, 2014 at 6:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 10:19pm:

I'm happy for this to be the official 'vent at Brian' thread - since you seem so obsessed about it FD.

It is not for venting. It is a suppository of Brian's wisdom.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 3:21pm:

The beauty of Islam eh?

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In 13 countries around the world,all of them muslim,people who openly espouse atheism or reject the official state religion of Islam face execution under the law.
www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/10/us-religion-atheists-idUSBRE9B900G20131210

Of course Brian and his bum chum HB will support a belief that is not compatible with human rights as defined by the Universal declaration of human rights, these assclowns will hurl slurs like Islamophobe at anyone who is critical of a belief that executes people for thought crimes.

|dev|null wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Enjoying erecting a strawman Baron?

I assume from your comment that you'd support Warren Snowden or Julian Assange not being executed by the US Government?

Curious choice of words there.

Abu made a very similar attempt to excuse the execution of apostates by insisting it was identical to western nations like the US executing spies.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #823 - Aug 20^th, 2014 at 1:43am Verbally disagreeing and disliking - not persecution. Head hacking, church burning, suicide bombing - persecution.
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #824 - Aug 20^th, 2014 at 1:26pm Soren wrote on Aug 20^th, 2014 at 1:43am: Verbally disagreeing and disliking - not persecution. Head hacking, church burning, suicide bombing - persecution. Promoting intolerance, vilification, hatred and bigotry = persecution. Fomenting violence against Muslims = persecution. You're guilty of both!
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