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Reply #825 - Aug 20th, 2014 at 7:29pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Aug 20th, 2014 at 1:26pm:
Promoting intolerance, vilification, hatred and bigotry = persecution.


Thanks for putting it in the correct thread HB. It will save me the trouble.
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Reply #826 - Aug 20th, 2014 at 8:30pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 10:19pm:
I just ask that you don't go spamming what could be serious discussions with your petty attacks.


One can ask, G, but sometimes a question is just a question.
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Reply #827 - Aug 20th, 2014 at 8:32pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 20th, 2014 at 1:43am:
Verbally disagreeing and disliking - not persecution.
Head hacking, church burning, suicide bombing - persecution.


I agree, old boy, but remember: no one has the right to not be offended.
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Reply #828 - Aug 21st, 2014 at 12:10pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2014 at 7:29pm:
|dev|null wrote on Aug 20th, 2014 at 1:26pm:
Promoting intolerance, vilification, hatred and bigotry = persecution.


Thanks for putting it in the correct thread HB. It will save me the trouble.


Anytime, FD.  I wonder though, how protesting against religious persecution comes under the heading of "apologetics"...   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #829 - Aug 21st, 2014 at 1:01pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Aug 21st, 2014 at 12:10pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2014 at 7:29pm:
|dev|null wrote on Aug 20th, 2014 at 1:26pm:
Promoting intolerance, vilification, hatred and bigotry = persecution.


Thanks for putting it in the correct thread HB. It will save me the trouble.


Anytime, FD.  I wonder though, how protesting against religious persecution comes under the heading of "apologetics"...   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Religious persecution comes under the heading of Freeedom, HB.

Spineless apologetics only applies when the Muslims are doing the persecuting.

Jolly world, innit.
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Reply #830 - Aug 21st, 2014 at 1:05pm
 
It counts when you insist that Soren giving his opinion on Islam is a form of persecution.
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Reply #831 - Aug 21st, 2014 at 1:31pm
 
It seems 'persecution' is strictly only a physical/violent thing.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #832 - Aug 21st, 2014 at 1:37pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2014 at 1:05pm:
It counts when you insist that Soren giving his opinion on Islam is a form of persecution.


And my giving my opinion on his opinion is "apologetics"?  No, no, bias there at at all...   Must be this "freeedom" thing that Karnal keeps mentioning.

You obviously believe that Muslims can't be persecuted then... Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #833 - Aug 21st, 2014 at 1:39pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2014 at 1:05pm:
It counts when you insist that Soren giving his opinion on Islam is a form of persecution.


Non-submission IS persecution. Every PC numpty knows that criticism of Islam is verboten.
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Reply #834 - Aug 21st, 2014 at 2:20pm
 
This guy is criticizing Islam and muslims, he must be an islamophobe  and bigot according to Brian's little black book he might even get tared with racist .

In the face of this terrifying modern resurgence of the ancient threat, of such gross and unnatural barbarities, it is getting harder for western intellectual liberals to continue echoing the old mantras. The hard truth must be faced eventually, even by the most determined; not everyone in the world thinks the same way we do, holds the same values, has the same goals. Not every culture is of equal value. Not all men are equally “right” in what they believe.

And if the message of the photos and videos were not getting through our thick western skulls, we have today a direct warning from the leader of the ancient Christian community that has been decimated by ISIS. The Chaldean Catholic Church traces its heritage to St. Thomas, the doubting Apostle of Christ. A few days ago, we all saw the headline saying that, for the first time in 1600 years, Mass was not being said in the ancient Christian town of Mosul because all the Christians, all the Chaldean Catholics, had been either killed, expelled or kidnapped, to be sold later into chattel slavery.

Speaking from his exile in the dubious and perhaps temporary safety of the northern Iraqi town of Erbil, the head of this lost and grieving community, Archbishop Amel Nona, the Chaldean Catholic Archeparch of Mosul, told us quite bluntly, and without the niceties required by Pope Benedict’s civilized academic audience, that the time for indulging our comfortable liberal fantasies is over.

“Our sufferings today are the prelude of those that you, Europeans and Western Christians, will also suffer in the near future,” said the archbishop in an interview with Corriere della Sera. “I lost my diocese. The physical setting of my apostolate has been occupied by Islamic radicals who want us converted or dead. But my community is still alive.

“Please, try to understand us. Your liberal and democratic principles are worth nothing here. You must consider again our reality in the Middle East, because you are welcoming in your countries an ever growing number of Muslims.”

He warns us, “Also, you are in danger. You must take strong and courageous decisions, even at the cost of contradicting your principles.”

Erbil is 55 miles east of Mosul, in territory currently holding off IS attackers, but it is certainly in their path. Corriera della Sera reports that the bishop has asked for material aid for the exiles huddling in shock there. “8,000 people, many elderly, a disproportionate number (for us Westerners) of children, babies of a few months, many dehydrated with diarrhea. A septuagenarian asks for insulin. Others write on scraps of crumpled paper the names of medicines that nobody knows where to find.

“Tens of rusty wheelchairs were donated by humanitarian organizations for the sick and are used as chairs for the old. The local Christian organizations together with UN agencies have improvised a canteen service that distributes white rice, bread, bottled water. The toilets are almost useless.”

The archbishop continues: “You think all men are equal, but that is not true: Islam does not say that all men are equal. Your values are not their values. If you do not understand this soon enough, you will become the victims of the enemy you have welcomed in your home.”

http://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/the-world-owes-an-apology-to-pope-benedict-ove...


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Reply #835 - Aug 21st, 2014 at 2:29pm
 
Archbishop Nona is persecutiong Muslims.
Only racist bigot rightwing climate deniers do not see that.
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Reply #836 - Aug 22nd, 2014 at 12:24pm
 
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And my giving my opinion on his opinion is "apologetics"?


Trying to label honest debate about Islam as persecution in an attempt to shut it down is spineless, IMO. This is exactly what Brian does, and you are a close second. It is an insult to people, including Muslims, who are actually being persecuted for their views.
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Reply #837 - Aug 22nd, 2014 at 12:30pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2014 at 12:24pm:
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And my giving my opinion on his opinion is "apologetics"?


Trying to label honest debate about Islam as persecution in an attempt to shut it down is spineless, IMO.


True, FD. We need to include dishonest debate here too though, no?
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Reply #838 - Aug 22nd, 2014 at 2:59pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 22nd, 2014 at 12:30pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2014 at 12:24pm:
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And my giving my opinion on his opinion is "apologetics"?


Trying to label honest debate about Islam as persecution in an attempt to shut it down is spineless, IMO.


True, FD. We need to include dishonest debate here too though, no?



You have already made that your own, PB, together with Brain and Wheeze.


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Reply #839 - Aug 22nd, 2014 at 3:02pm
 
Wheeze?
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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