polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 21^st, 2013 at 12:00pm:



Muslim acting expressly in the name of Islam should be condemned and ridiculed for the fools they are for following such a bankrupt ideology.
Islam doesn't deserve anything.  It's an ideology, a concept, an idea. At that it's buggered and stupid. No concept or ideology or religion 'deserves' respect.

Thank you.
As irrelevant as ever. Carry on.
Prejudism, innit. Islamic golden age.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 21^st, 2013 at 12:00pm:



gandalf,

You need to be more careful with your choice of words, which you use to justify your position/the position of moslems/ISLAM.


Dictionary;
prejudice = = preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.       unjust behaviour formed on such a basis.

The word prejudice implies pre-judging some issue/person, in ignorance.



You use the word prejudice/prejudism as though those persons on this forum [who criticise ISLAM/moslems] are pre-judging ISLAM/moslems.

As though they are [all] persons without any understanding of what the tenets and laws of ISLAM/moslems, justify.

And the tenets and laws of ISLAM/moslems justify the genocide or the enslavement of peoples who are not moslems - because they are not moslems.







"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:"
Koran 003.028


"O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?"
Koran 004.144


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51


"....the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
Koran 4.101


"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends.....offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76






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Google it.



n.b.

Mohammed - the prophet of the religion of peace dismembered body parts.







gandalf,

I am not pre-judging ISLAM/moslems.

Every moslem who has come of age, has chosen his own path.




Who is a moslem ?


[i.e. the Allah, and the Mohammed, as described in the Koran and Hadith]



Who is a moslem ?

THIS IS THE TRUTH, THIS IS THE REALITY....
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polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 21^st, 2013 at 12:00pm:


This is what I expected you to consider spineless:

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Is that so unreasonable?

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Actually I expected him to pretend you didn't say it, as he did for the first half of this thread (and is still attempting to do now, with a bit less success).

freediver wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 8:41am:


On the surface, yes. But Brian has made it very clear what exactly he was talking about - the problem is tarring all muslims with the same brush. I think what he means (and correct me if I'm wrong Brian), is he doesn't have a right to  say "all Iranians/Afghanis/Saudis etc collectively are evil because their countries have draconian laws on apostasy etc" He is not talking about just the regimes - which it seems clear he would criticise - but the entire people of those nations. Proof of this is the fact that he has mentioned that he will have no problem condemning individuals for being backward/oppressive etc. Its just that he refuses to overgeneralise and say "all muslims are evil" for the actions of a few. And good on him for that. Its the very opposite to being spineless.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 12:57am:


This is your one Muslim 'disagreeing' with me:

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The closest you can get to a Muslim saying it is not spineless is a Muslim pretending you said something else (do correct him if he is wrong).

You must be so proud.

It appears that the real "spineless apologetic" is Freediver.  Tsk, tsk.  After all the personal attacks it comes down to this.  You can't even admit you're wrong on such a minor matter.   

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 7:30pm:


You are pretending. This is what Brian said. At no point has he claimed he did not really mean it.

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Do you think that is spineless?