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Reply #930 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 10:57am

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 6:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:57am:

freediver wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 11:16pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 9:51pm:

Phelps - isolated, including by law (respect for America's fallen heroes act).
Kony - you haven't given us anything other than a reporter's surmise.

No, a reporter's report of what one of Kony's military commanders knew about the man, Soren.

Both are, if we use YOUR logic, sterling examples of Christian belief and thinking.

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If this is what you think is equal counterweight to the Islamic ideology of countless Muslim terrorist organizations, than you a sadder, more deluded numpty than anyone expected.
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Soren, you still miss the point. Not atypical I've discovered amongst the more vehement zealots. Takfiri just can't accept alternative explanations, nay they can't even tolerate them. You are a most excellent graduate of that Madrassah that you attended! Your Iman must be so pleased with your efforts to bring the true version of Islam to us unbelievers! Wink

Brian can you find any Australian churches selling selling Kony flags? How about Australian Christians flying over to fight for Kony? Our Muslims managed to get together about 100. Surely our much larger Christian community can put together a whole army, if your "logic" of equating them is anything more than spineless apologetics.

Poor FD, poor, poor, FD. You miss the point, yet again. I wonder sometimes why you bother with this crusade against all things Islam and all Muslims. Is it bigotry, pure and simple or is there something a little more sinister behind it? Is it a double-bluff, Taqiyya, as Karnal has suggested? I don't know, all I know is that you keep making pathetic attempts to make excuses for your and others behaviour towards Muslims.

When I equate Kony and Phelps to radical Islam, I do so to show the fallacy of your logic. If the Islamist Salafists speak for Islam as you claim, why do they have so little support in the Muslim world? It is akin to the claim that Kony and Phelps speaks for Christianity. You know it's ridiculous, I know it's ridiculous - its an example of argument absurdium. It isn't intended to be a serious attempt to claim the Islamists and Kony/Phelps are the same, rather it is an attempt to show how absurd your argument is. It shows how silly your views on Islam are and you don't like it, so you attack me, personally instead and attempt to claim I am a "spineless apologetic". Roll Eyes

Keep it up, FD, it simply exposes your bigoted viewpoint for what it is - bigotry.

|dev|null wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:03pm:

So, to recap.

We had an auction at a Sydney Mosque to benefit the Mosque, not ISIS of a Muslim prayer flag...

So, FD, how are these quotes "spineless" or "apologetic"?

Lets see your thinking behind defining either (or both) as fitting the criteria for inclusion in this thread.

Or will you scuttle away again, having made your personal attack (which is against the forum rules and I wonder why Gandalf doesn't apply them to this thread)? Grin

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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #931 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 11:48am

|dev|null wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 10:57am:

So, FD, how are with of those quotes "spineless" or "apologetic"?

Oh thats easy HB - its stuff like this:

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What we need to do is stop alienating the entire muslim community and work with them towards the goals we have in common. The more we tar them all with the same brush, the more we push weaker individuals towards extremism.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #932 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 12:08pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 10:57am:

So, FD, how are with of those quotes "spineless" or "apologetic"?

Oh thats easy HB - its stuff like this:

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What we need to do is stop alienating the entire muslim community and work with them towards the goals we have in common. The more we tar them all with the same brush, the more we push weaker individuals towards extremism.

OK. That explains a lot. One rule for FD, another for everybody else... Grin

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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.

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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95903 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #933 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 2:34pm Yes, but that's a bit unfair. That was the 2007 FD saying that. Completely different person.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #934 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 2:40pm Indeed. FD after all "changed his mind". Still, its curious that there is no 63 page thread dedicated to mocking the anti-freeedom statements of this spineless apologist.
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95903 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #935 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 2:55pm I agree. FD also hasn't included that quote in the Wiki. Better put in in, FD. The Wiki needs a broad range of views and opinions.
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Reply #936 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 7:16pm

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Now now, FD, I won’t hear a bad word about your Pew survey. After reading it, I now know why you only quote the parts about Malaysia.

Because that was Brian and Gandalf's favourite example of a progressive Muslim nation? They have both been there and can vouch for the progressive opinions of local Muslims and not getting their head chopped off. Never ever. Not even once.

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Still, let’s not listen to what the Muselman has to say. Let’s play the old switcheroo between the non-words of Abu and the example of their sinister prophet.

Abu actually said those things Karnal.

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Pew indeed.

That didn't take long, but at least you tried.

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Reply #937 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 7:51pm

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:

Because that was Brian and Gandalf's favourite example of a progressive Muslim nation?

I never said that.

Personally I've always preferred Indonesia in relation to their "progressive" islamic values. I have cited Indonesia at least as many times as Malaysia, if not more as an example of what islam can and should produce. But of course the Indonesian attitudes in the PEW survey doesn't quite 'tow the line' for your little memes, so naturally you never mention them. And then pretend that Malaysia is the example I mention the most.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #938 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 7:55pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 7:51pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:

Because that was Brian and Gandalf's favourite example of a progressive Muslim nation?

I never said that.

Personally I've always preferred Indonesia in relation to their "progressive" islamic values. I have cited Indonesia at least as many times as Malaysia, if not more as an example of what islam can and should produce. But of course the Indonesian attitudes in the PEW survey doesn't quite 'tow the line' for your little memes, so naturally you never mention them. And then pretend that Malaysia is the example I mention the most.

It's called a strawman argument, Gandalf. FD is becoming a very, very proficient Thatcher it seems. Roll Eyes

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #939 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 7:59pm

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:

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Now now, FD, I won’t hear a bad word about your Pew survey. After reading it, I now know why you only quote the parts about Malaysia.

Because that was Brian and Gandalf's favourite example of a progressive Muslim nation? They have both been there and can vouch for the progressive opinions of local Muslims and not getting their head chopped off. Never ever. Not even once..

Are you saying you haven’t been to Malaysia yourself?

I’m curious.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #940 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:05pm Karnal wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 7:59pm: Are you saying you haven’t been to Malaysia yourself? No K - FD's gone one better - he's looked at a survey.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49081 At my desk.	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #941 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:41pm I am sure that both Brian and Gandalf claimed to have been there.
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95903 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #942 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:48pm You’re not trying to avoid Malaysia are you, FD? It’s a perfectly nice place, if a little hot.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41938	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #943 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 12:34am freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:41pm: I am sure that both Brian and Gandalf claimed to have been there. As have several million other Australians, FD. Your problem with that is what?
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #944 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:18am Pat's talking about you, Brain/Hot B/PB/wally/Team Murdoch.
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