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Reply #945 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:01pm
 
You do realise that Condell is an entertainer, not a serious political or social commentator.  Therefore, he is no better than Russell Brand.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin
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Reply #946 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 1:36pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 7:51pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 7:16pm:
Because that was Brian and Gandalf's favourite example of a progressive Muslim nation?


I never said that.

Personally I've always preferred Indonesia in relation to their "progressive" islamic values. I have cited Indonesia at least as many times as Malaysia, if not more as an example of what islam can and should produce. But of course the Indonesian attitudes in the PEW survey doesn't quite 'tow the line' for your little memes, so naturally you never mention them. And then pretend that Malaysia is the example I mention the most.


Yes - so did the 2007 FD. He cited Indonesia as an exemplar of a functioning Muslim demokracy, Freeedom included.

No doubt the 2014 FD will disagree. He prefers the South Korean-influenced demokracy, Iraq.
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Reply #947 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 5:21pm
 
Team Murdoch wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 10:38pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 5:34pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 6:55pm:
How is this man able to operate a network of recruiters among Australia's Muslim community so easily?

How many local Muslims must be turning a blind eye or actively supporting their efforts?



The questions everyone has avoided.............

Was it Zakir Naik who said every muslim should be a terrorist-




He said Muslims should "terrorise the terrorists". Do you have a problem with that?

If Tony Abbott said that you would probably applaud him. Hypocrisy much?




Brian Ross wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:34am:
freediver wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 8:41pm:
I am sure that both Brian and Gandalf claimed to have been there.


As have several million other Australians, FD.  Your problem with that is what?   Roll Eyes


No problem with people going there. Trying to pass Malaysian Muslims off as an example of progressive Islam is a bit silly, unless your intention is to parody the concept of progressive Islam.
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Reply #948 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 5:47pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:01pm:
You do realise that Condell is an entertainer, not a serious political or social commentator.  Therefore, he is no better than Russell Brand.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin



Pat is far, far better - he is not a complete tool like  Brand and he nailed your type pretty neatly.


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Reply #949 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 11:33pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
|dev|null wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:01pm:
You do realise that Condell is an entertainer, not a serious political or social commentator.  Therefore, he is no better than Russell Brand.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin

Pat is far, far better - he is not a complete tool like  Brand and he nailed your type pretty neatly.

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Taqiyya: legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny his faith or commit illegal or blasphemous acts while they are in fear or risk of significant persecution
 
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Reply #950 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 11:49pm
 
Was the old boy praying?

Sorry, I must have missed it. AMEN.
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Reply #951 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 12:29am
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 11:49pm:
Was the old boy praying?

Sorry, I must have missed it. AMEN.


Maybe you missed praying to her?  Roll Eyes
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Reply #952 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:14am
 

Quote:
Denmark: No imams want to join anti-Islamic State demonstration
Sep 12, 2014 02:59 pm | Nicolai Sennels

Translated from Information: A demonstration in Aarhus (Denmark), where Muslims are encouraged to denounce the terrorist group Islamic State, has had difficulty attracting participants. Muslims are afraid of being attacked or receiving hate mail from IS followers in Denmark, say representatives of the Muslim community in the city

...“It is not currently possible to determine whether the fear of reaction from the IS support at home is justified. But it’s very understandable that Muslims in Denmark, showing their resistance to IS, fear that IS’s brutality in Iraq, for example, can be followed up with actions from the IS supporters at home,” she says. …

“None of the imams I have spoken to have been keen to set up and support the demonstration, and it’s really annoying,” said Mohammad Sabah Ahmad (organizer of the demonstration).

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/denmark-no-imams-want-to-join-anti-islamic-sta...



spineless apologetics - includes moslems, too!


......because in reality, ISLAM and the moslem community, are the authors of every reluctance to criticise moslem 'wrongdoing' [i.e. 'good works', in Allah's cause].







OBSERVATION;
For a moslem to condemn or to criticise a fellow moslem [to a non-moslem] for wrongdoing [e.g. for an act of LAWLESSNESS, by a 'Western' standard of law], is just not 'Kosher' for a moslem!!!!

And that is why moslems in the West will do,   ....absolutely not one practical thing against an ISLAMIC organisation like ISIS, or BOKO HARAM, or Al-Nusra, or Al-Qaeda.

It is un-ISLAMIC [and, it is a CAPITAL crime!!!] for any moslem to criticise the behaviour of fellow moslems, to 'infidels'.

We can see this 'reluctance' [to be critical of the wrongdoing of fellow moslems] demonstrated here....

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4




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Western politicians like Tony Abbott, and Barrack Obama, and John Cameron, are responsible for the proliferation in the world of ALL ISLAMIC terrorism - BECAUSE THEY AND THEIR POLICIES TOWARDS MOSLEMS LIVING IN THE WEST - are facilitating the political empowerment of ISLAM, everywhere in the world, and especially within Western nations.





Yadda said.....
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Why is it that thinking people seem unable to join the dots ?

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.







ISLAM is a murderous death cult.

Yadda said....
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Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


EVERY moslem, is a follower - of ISLAM.

EVERY moslem, is a member of the moslem community.

And whether the moslem refers to himself as being a member of,
Hamas,
or the Taliban,
or Al-Qaeda,
or Boko Haram,
or ISIS,
or Al Shabaab,
or [in Australia] Brothers for Life,

OR SIMPLY, AS BEING A, MOSLEM;

....the moslem is a member of 'a group of people' who choose to follow a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches them [moslems], that it is lawful for them [moslems] to seek to subjugate [i.e. enslave] or murder all of 'disbelieving' mankind.




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #953 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:24am
 
Soren wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
|dev|null wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:01pm:
You do realise that Condell is an entertainer, not a serious political or social commentator.  Therefore, he is no better than Russell Brand.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin



Pat is far, far better - he is not a complete tool like  Brand and he nailed your type pretty neatly.


No, he didn't.  No more than you have been able to nail "my type".  I am unique!   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin

Condell admits his purpose is to provoke.  He doesn't care what he says, he would just as happily skewer your viewpoint as any other.  He also admits he does it to entertain and is not to be taken seriously.   Your problem Soren is that you don't care about context.  For you, the ends justify the means.  You are no different to the Islamists you attack all the time.  Brian is right, you're a good little Takfiri zealot.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin
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Reply #954 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:25am
 
Gryphon49 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 11:33pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
|dev|null wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:01pm:
You do realise that Condell is an entertainer, not a serious political or social commentator.  Therefore, he is no better than Russell Brand.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin

Pat is far, far better - he is not a complete tool like  Brand and he nailed your type pretty neatly.

AMEN


Religious type are you?  Rather renders anything you say moot when you're under the influence of your opiate. Or are you another Matty's puppets?  Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin
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Reply #955 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 12:15pm
 
On an aid worker executed by the Islamic State:

wally1 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:50am:
red baron wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:17am:
Breaking news on Channel 7 Sunday 14 Aug. David Haines British hostage of ISIS has been executed. Expect a U.S. like response from Great Britain.


Another idiot going to a war zone.


wally1 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:37am:
freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:56am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:47am:
red baron wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:17am:
Breaking news on Channel 7 Sunday 14 Aug. David Haines British hostage of ISIS has been executed. Expect a U.S. like response from Great Britain.


We should also expect the resident apologists in this forum to say people have Islamophobia, an irrational fear of Islam...




And to describe the murdered aid worker as an idiot.


There are thousands on refugees in turkey and lebanon, but no, the idiot went into syria. He bypassed and ignored all those refugees who came out of syria to neigbouring countries.

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|dev|null wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:24am:
Soren wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
|dev|null wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:01pm:
You do realise that Condell is an entertainer, not a serious political or social commentator.  Therefore, he is no better than Russell Brand.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin



Pat is far, far better - he is not a complete tool like  Brand and he nailed your type pretty neatly.


No, he didn't.  No more than you have been able to nail "my type".  I am unique!   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin

Condell admits his purpose is to provoke.  He doesn't care what he says, he would just as happily skewer your viewpoint as any other.  He also admits he does it to entertain and is not to be taken seriously.   Your problem Soren is that you don't care about context.  For you, the ends justify the means.  You are no different to the Islamists you attack all the time.  Brian is right, you're a good little Takfiri zealot.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin

You ARE Brain.

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Reply #957 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 7:24pm
 
Looks like Brian has a desciple. Aussie fretting over air support for Iraqis fighting ISIS:

Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 7:16pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 7:05pm:
Sounds good to me. These people need to be stopped.


Sure.....but what the ferk has it got to do with us?  Let the Arabs fight it out ~ where they live.  We have zero sovereign interest in it.  Are we now the 'evil' whisperer?  Nah.  There is evil everywhere.

This is pure and simple Abbott's War declared for electoral support.  I hope the very violent street demos start tomorrow......very violent to match the violence we will commit where we have no right to be. Is there anyone here who can explain to me what right we have to start killing Arabs.....good ones or bad ones......on their soil/sand?   That'll be jolly.


Ferk you and your crap, Abbott/freediver!

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Reply #958 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 6:48pm
 
Perhaps this is why Brian labels any and all criticism of Islam as bigotry.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 6:26pm:
You appear to think it is possible to divorce the believers from the belief.  Or that the belief somehow doesn't reflect the views of the believers.   When you attack Islam, you are attacking all Muslims.

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Reply #959 - Sep 16th, 2014 at 11:42am
 
Soren wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 1:05pm:
|dev|null wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:24am:
Soren wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
|dev|null wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:01pm:
You do realise that Condell is an entertainer, not a serious political or social commentator.  Therefore, he is no better than Russell Brand.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin



Pat is far, far better - he is not a complete tool like  Brand and he nailed your type pretty neatly.


No, he didn't.  No more than you have been able to nail "my type".  I am unique!   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin

Condell admits his purpose is to provoke.  He doesn't care what he says, he would just as happily skewer your viewpoint as any other.  He also admits he does it to entertain and is not to be taken seriously.   Your problem Soren is that you don't care about context.  For you, the ends justify the means.  You are no different to the Islamists you attack all the time.  Brian is right, you're a good little Takfiri zealot.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin

You ARE Brain.


Yeah, yeah, are you always this paranoid? 

I'm actually Freediver.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy
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