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Reply #990 - Sep 29th, 2014 at 1:53pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:39pm:
Islamophobic voice in the crying in the wilderness


Why can’t people hate or fear anything they want?
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Reply #991 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 12:25am
 
Soren wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 1:53pm:
|dev|null wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:39pm:
Islamophobic voice in the crying in the wilderness


Why can’t people hate or fear anything they want?


Exactly. We should all have the Freeedom to hate and fear.

Love is another matter. Get that wrong, and you’re a perverted deviant.
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Reply #992 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 10:36am
 
Soren wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 1:53pm:
|dev|null wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:39pm:
Islamophobic voice in the crying in the wilderness


Why can’t people hate or fear anything they want?


They can but do you really recommend that they give into their fears and act on their hatreds?

I thought you were a Psychiatrist?  Surely you should be advising them to face them head on and understand how silly they really are?    Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Reply #993 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 10:38am
 
freediver wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 8:32am:
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I am glad you can laugh, FD.  Can you laugh though, at yourself?   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Reply #994 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 10:40am
 
What I found interesting was the significant outcry over Brandis's "right to be a bigot" comment. According to our resident freeedom lovers, this should be an article of faith in our society. Yet evidently it is not - evidently most of us are appalled by such a sentiment.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #995 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 7:22pm
 
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They can but do you really recommend that they give into their fears and act on their hatreds?


If something ought be feared or hated, then it is right to act on it, rather than insisting you have no right or ability to criticise.

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What I found interesting was the significant outcry over Brandis's "right to be a bigot" comment. According to our resident freeedom lovers, this should be an article of faith in our society. Yet evidently it is not - evidently most of us are appalled by such a sentiment.


He spun it in the worst possible way. I believe he was deliberately antagonistic in the hope of winding people up and stirring up debate. Despite his choice of words, I think he is 100% correct.
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Reply #996 - Oct 7th, 2014 at 10:03pm
 
Ben Affleck blasts 'racist' comments about Islam during US talk show appearance

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-06/ben-affleck-blasts-so-called-racist-comments-about-islam/5793664

Muslims around the world have praised US actor Ben Affleck for standing up for their religion during a heated talk show debate.

The actor showed his frustrations after it was claimed the West was not doing enough to stand up to radical Islamic beliefs.

The star, who was promoting his latest movie Gone Girl, traded arguments with HBO's Bill Maher on talk show Real Time last Friday.

A YouTube video of the argument has already been viewed more than 2.9 million times.

Arabic novelist Aziz Hamza said: "Respect to Ben Affleck who stand to the racist Bill Maher & Sam Harris."

The panel included Sam Harris, a neuroscientist and author, who described Islam as "the motherload of bad ideas".

Maher said: "It's the only religion that acts like the mafia - that will f***ing kill you if you say the wrong thing, draw the wrong picture, or write the wrong book."

Affleck described the comments as racist.

"What is your solution? To just condemn Islam? Is that it?" Affleck said.

"We've killed more Muslims than they've killed us ... We've invaded more Muslim countries, by an awful lot."
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Reply #997 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:48pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 10:36am:
Soren wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 1:53pm:
|dev|null wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:39pm:
Islamophobic voice in the crying in the wilderness


Why can’t people hate or fear anything they want?


They can but do you really recommend that they give into their fears and act on their hatreds?

I thought you were a Psychiatrist?  Surely you should be advising them to face them head on and understand how silly they really are?    Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin

You must be able to express what bothers you. That is a necessary step. Repression will make you sick.

Act on hatred - you are implying that the acting can only mean violence. This is not correct. Most people simply avoid things they hate or dislike or try to change the person whom they hate or fear - or change themselves and their perceptions of what they fear. A well-adjusted person is able to control his impulses. That is what you learn as you grow up. Even among very small children, violent impulses are rare. In our society violence is completely devalued, compared to earlier times or tribal societies and societies where women are separated and treated as men’s chattels. Women’s liberation had  a tremendous taming effect on men because sex became pretty readily and safely available. A lot of violence is the return, the outlet, of the repressed sexual urge.

People hate and fear all sorts of things. You need to speak about it and see whether your hatred or fear is well founded or not, whether your  perception is the problem or whether what you fear is really dangerous to you.

There is nothing clinical about opposing or disagreeing with an ideology, a political or philosophical doctrine. Homophobia, islamophobia are not real phobias, not clinically recognised terms. Nobody who is completely rejecting Christianity is contemplating the harming of Christians. Those who might are seen as either ill or criminal. The same goes for those who completely reject Islam,  homosexual conduct, evolution or atheism - they are not thinking of harming anyone and those who may be are regarded as ill or criminal.

As we are paifully aware, those who completely reject Islam in muslim majority countries are often risking their lives by such a rejection. Sometimes the perpetrators of such violence are  regarded as criminal but too often they are not. They are almost never regarded as ill, certainly not by their muslim compatriots.

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Reply #998 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:44pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:39pm:
Islamophobic voice in the crying in the wilderness that no one believes



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Reply #999 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:46pm
 
brumbie wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:44pm:
|dev|null wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:39pm:
Islamophobic voice in the crying in the wilderness that no one believes



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I thought phobias were an irrational fear
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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
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Reply #1000 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:52pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:46pm:
I thought phobias were an irrational fear



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Reply #1001 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 5:40pm
 
brumbie wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:44pm:
|dev|null wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:39pm:
Islamophobic voice in the crying in the wilderness that no one believes



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The picture of irrational fear of the religion of peace.

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Reply #1002 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 9:34am
 
irrational fear = fear of the hijab
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #1003 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 2:23pm
 
Soren wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 5:40pm:
brumbie wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:44pm:
|dev|null wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:39pm:
Islamophobic voice in the crying in the wilderness that no one believes



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The picture of irrational fear


Yes, the old boy did say that.

Ironic that the photo is an exact photoshopped  replica of the one used in Wag the Dog,, a film about a Hollywood produced war.

Irrational fear? Oh no, it’s all quite rational.
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Reply #1004 - Nov 1st, 2014 at 5:54pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 1st, 2014 at 5:22pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 1st, 2014 at 2:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 1st, 2014 at 2:02pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 1st, 2014 at 7:47am:
Hey Brian, do you think people should have a right to criticise and mock religion?


I don't think they have a right, no.  A privilege, perhaps, yes.   Remember, in Australia there is only an implied right to Freedom of Speech, FD.

Wouldn't a better question be though, "do you think that it is right for people to criticise and mock religion?" 


You misunderstood the question Brian. Was that deliberate?


No.

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Do you think people should have the right to criticise and mock religion?


Should have a right?  Perhaps.   I am undecided.  The problem with changing it from a privilege to a right allows it to be more easily abused, as the abuse would come from people such as yourself, FD who would use it to persecute and offend innocents.

Why don't you answer my questions?  Do you think it's right that people abuse other's over the issue of Religion?    Roll Eyes

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