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NBN progress?
Sep 17^th, 2013 at 11:47am

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See below for an update from Nick on the petition ...: "The Liberal Party of Australia: Reconsider your plan for a 'FTTN' NBN in favour of a superior 'FTTH' NBN"

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On Friday, after a quarter of a million people signed our petition, Malcolm Turnbull responded on his blog, and gave me a call.

We spoke about the different NBN options available, and I made it clear that there is a ground swell of Australians, from all sides of politics, who want to see him reconsider how he deals with this.

I was a little frustrated as he seemed to suggest that we don’t understand. He suggested we wait, read his report, and then we’d get it.

I’m not sure that he understands.

Today, Mr Turnbull's been confirmed as Minister. The coalition seem to think that winning the election was the end of debate, but I think it was the beginning. Clearly this is a deeper issue than I, or Mr Turnbull, really imagined.

I’ve started the conversation with him, but I need your help to continue it. We need him to see that people are asking him to engage and be open about the future of the NBN. Will you share this image, and tag Minister Turnbull, asking this government to be the kind we were promised - one that listens?

The coalition need to know we want more from them. It’s fair that we expect them to engage, to listen. That’s what they pledged in the lead up to the election, and when they won.

It has been a promising week. To be honest, when I started this petition, I thought it would be great to get 1000 signatures. But every day now, more and more Australians are signing on and asking the government to engage. Clearly, we’ve started something really big.

We need to use this petition as the first step in a much bigger campaign - can you help take the next step?

Thanks

Nick

P.S. It’s been great to see so many people talking about how to get the new government to listen to us. If you have an idea or a skill to contribute to the campaign, email: nbnpetition@gmail.com and let me know. Also, I’ll be offline for a couple of days, so I’m asking my friend Alex to help out, if there’s news to report, he’ll email on my behalf while I’m away.

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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: NBN progress? Reply #1 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 12:06pm What they really need is a petition that reads "I voted coalition and I want a FTTH NBN". Perhaps that'll wipe Turnbull's smirk off and make them realise what kind of mandate they really have.
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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: NBN progress? Reply #2 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 12:07pm Turnbull's blog post is political claptrap, but the comments are worth reading.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: NBN progress? Reply #3 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 12:15pm What's the current cost of the NBN? $60 Billion dollars? Ok 250,000 people signed the petition. If each of you people that signed the petition donate $250,000 towards the establishment cost of the NBN there'd be no need to flay us poor taxpayers. Do YOU have a spare 250 Grand?????
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: NBN progress? Reply #4 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 12:21pm Australia should slide back into the dark ages to save a few bob...I mean it just makes sense Australia should know its place in the world...a fracking big open cut mine..and nothing else.
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Reply #5 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 12:22pm

Swagman wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 12:15pm:

What's the current cost of the NBN? $60 Billion dollars?

Ok 250,000 people signed the petition.

If each of you people that signed the petition donate $250,000 towards the establishment cost of the NBN there'd be no need to flay us poor taxpayers.

Do YOU have a spare 250 Grand?????
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Not quite sure what you're on about here. Why should individuals pay for public infrastructure? Isn't that why we have taxes - to equitably share the burden of such costs?

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Reply #6 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 12:29pm

# wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 12:22pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 12:15pm:

What's the current cost of the NBN? $60 Billion dollars?

Ok 250,000 people signed the petition.

If each of you people that signed the petition donate $250,000 towards the establishment cost of the NBN there'd be no need to flay us poor taxpayers.

Do YOU have a spare 250 Grand?????
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Not quite sure what you're on about here. Why should individuals pay for public infrastructure? Isn't that why we have taxes - to equitably share the burden of such costs?

You've got it wrong..Australia should never have invested in infrastructure because its very expensive.
We know we would all be better off if this country remained without roads, sewerage, reservoirs, pipelines, universities, schools, hospitals, housing, communications etc etc.
A few goat tracks crisscrossing the country should be all we ever needed and think of the money we would've saved over the last few hundred years ..we would all be debt free and filthy rich Cheesy

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viewpoint Gold Member Offline A joke is a very serious thing. [Winston] Posts: 2209 Gender:	Re: NBN progress? Reply #7 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 12:33pm Quote: You've got it wrong..Australia should never have invested in infrastructure because its very expensive. And will be obsolete when they finally finish it, if they do, at some later (much much later) date.
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Reply #8 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 12:38pm

Swagman wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 12:15pm:

What's the current cost of the NBN? $60 Billion dollars?

Ok 250,000 people signed the petition.

If each of you people that signed the petition donate $250,000 towards the establishment cost of the NBN there'd be no need to flay us poor taxpayers.

Do YOU have a spare 250 Grand?????

Tongue

Actually I got a better idea.Not lowering the company tax rate and increasing it to what we all pay. Reduce the numerous and outlandish number of tax deductions they give to business. Make companies and business pay a minimum amount of tax no matter how many deductions they claim and bring back the original resources tax So that you blokes stop flaying the poor taxpayer and we can get a decent NBN for the benefit of all not JUST YOU.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105372 Melbourne Gender:	Re: NBN progress? Reply #9 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 12:47pm Maybe we're just a 3rd world country that deserves an old copper system?
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: NBN progress? Reply #10 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 12:49pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 12:47pm: Maybe we're just a 3rd world country that deserves an old copper system? As Rupert says.." Just be a good little country and do what i tell you to do"
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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: NBN progress? Reply #11 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 2:03pm viewpoint wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 12:33pm: Quote: You've got it wrong..Australia should never have invested in infrastructure because its very expensive. And will be obsolete when they finally finish it, if they do, at some later (much much later) date. You can't substantiate that assertion, can you? Are you longweekend58?
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Reply #12 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 2:36pm

# wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 12:22pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 12:15pm:

What's the current cost of the NBN? $60 Billion dollars?

Ok 250,000 people signed the petition.

If each of you people that signed the petition donate $250,000 towards the establishment cost of the NBN there'd be no need to flay us poor taxpayers.

Do YOU have a spare 250 Grand?????
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Not quite sure what you're on about here. Why should individuals pay for public infrastructure? Isn't that why we have taxes - to equitably share the burden of such costs?

Equitable share? That's hogwash.

The majority of tax is paid by a minority of people.

The lion's share of the cost of Govt / infrastructure is already being paid for by a small minority.

The top 9% of people pay 49% of income tax
The top 40% of people pay 90% of income tax
The bottom 60% pay 10% only
The bottom 25% pay zero, not a zac, effall.

http://www.ato.gov.au/misc/flash/webready/100people.html

NBNs are ok for most because they don't have to pay for it. Sad

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Reply #13 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 2:41pm

Swagman wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 2:36pm:

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Equitable share? That's hogwash.

The majority of tax is paid by a minority of people.

The lion's share of the cost of Govt / infrastructure is already being paid for by a small minority.

The top 9% of people pay 49% of income tax
The top 40% of people pay 90% of income tax
The bottom 60% pay 10% only
The bottom 25% pay zero, not a zac, effall.

http://www.ato.gov.au/misc/flash/webready/100people.html
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If you're saying there's inequity in that, then you'll have to point it out.

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Reply #14 - Sep 17^th, 2013 at 2:44pm

# wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 12:22pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 12:15pm:

What's the current cost of the NBN? $60 Billion dollars?

Ok 250,000 people signed the petition.

If each of you people that signed the petition donate $250,000 towards the establishment cost of the NBN there'd be no need to flay us poor taxpayers.

Do YOU have a spare 250 Grand?????
...

Not quite sure what you're on about here. Why should individuals pay for public infrastructure? Isn't that why we have taxes - to equitably share the burden of such costs?

and there we have it, folks! they want all the goodies but don't want to pay for it. And when they mention 'taxes', they mean other people's taxes.

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