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Re: NBN progress?
Reply #165 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 4:31pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 4:16pm:

You seem to be confused. I can argue the technical merits way better than most but I also can argue the economic and cost-benefit point of view. most pro-NBNers have only one position - 'I want it' and that's it. What about the cost, what about the benefit?

Umm no its not just 'I want it', they see the future, communicating easier, the way it will effectively introduce a whole new functionality to business and work life

I have repeatedly asked for applications that the NBN can do that the EXISTING network cannot do nevermind the FTTN model and all Ive read is some truly embarrasing twaddle like.. (and I kid you not)... ONLINE SHOPPING! and now we have 3D printing because there is some massive pent-up demand for that (which you can do on ADLS anyhow).

if you want to debate the topic then extend the argument beyond raw POTENTIAL speed.

Technological advancement of Australian work life and social life functionality seems to extend the argument.

Its safe to say you know nothing of what you're talking about and just blindly following your new government, to me you're just simply another blind follower. You seem to not comprehend the magnitude of the influence that the internet has on Australia and it's interaction with the world. Also you failed to name and books, articles or facts that illustrate your position on the FTTN network

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Reply #166 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 4:42pm

LaQuinn wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 4:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 4:16pm:

You seem to be confused. I can argue the technical merits way better than most but I also can argue the economic and cost-benefit point of view. most pro-NBNers have only one position - 'I want it' and that's it. What about the cost, what about the benefit?

Umm no its not just 'I want it', they see the future, communicating easier, the way it will effectively introduce a whole new functionality to business and work life

I have repeatedly asked for applications that the NBN can do that the EXISTING network cannot do nevermind the FTTN model and all Ive read is some truly embarrasing twaddle like.. (and I kid you not)... ONLINE SHOPPING! and now we have 3D printing because there is some massive pent-up demand for that (which you can do on ADLS anyhow).

if you want to debate the topic then extend the argument beyond raw POTENTIAL speed.

Technological advancement of Australian work life and social life functionality seems to extend the argument.

Its safe to say you know nothing of what you're talking about and just blindly following your new government, to me you're just simply another blind follower. You seem to not comprehend the magnitude of the influence that the internet has on Australia and it's interaction with the world. Also you failed to name and books, articles or facts that illustrate your position on the FTTN network

they see the future, communicating easier, the way it will effectively introduce a whole new functionality to business and work life

that is meaningless nonsense that says absolutely nothing of value. WHAT new functionaility??? every time I ask that I get some truly idiotic answers. Let me list a few of them:

Online shopping.
ONline doctors visits - because a doctor never needs to actually EXAMINE you!!
Education... we already do this
video conferencing.... never used Skype?
downloading files.... yep, never before been done
smart houses... the technology is actually LOW BANDWIDTH

etc.

you really do need to specifiy a need before spending vast amounts unnecessarily.

Now to a proper argument.

FTTN still permits ANYONE to have fibre to the home. you just need to pay for that last segment which would therefore mean you would apply your own cost-benefit analysis which of course means the vast majority of residential customers wouldn't even consider it. Businesses would embrace it on a needs-basis alone.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106751 Melbourne Gender:	Re: NBN progress? Reply #167 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 4:48pm Longy, you forgot about cloud storage. It means that business can back up their data for a nominal monthly fee. It requires fiber optic. forgiven namaste
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Re: NBN progress?
Reply #168 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 4:58pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 4:48pm:

Longy,
you forgot about cloud storage.
It means that business can back up their data for a nominal monthly fee.
It requires fiber optic.

forgiven

namaste

it DOESNT need fibre optic. It can actually be done on dial-up - just slowly. it is a function of upload speed and date size - nothing else.

and back up what??? what does the average residential user have that is so important it needs backing up? documents letters, assignments, photos?

people are already doing it!

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Reply #169 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 5:02pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 4:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 4:48pm:

Longy,
you forgot about cloud storage.
It means that business can back up their data for a nominal monthly fee.
It requires fiber optic.

forgiven

namaste

it DOESNT need fibre optic. It can actually be done on dial-up - just slowly. it is a function of upload speed and date size - nothing else.

and back up what??? what does the average residential user have that is so important it needs backing up? documents letters, assignments, photos?

people are already doing it!

It does need fiber optic - it can involve terabytes of info to store all of a servers data.
You are clearly not a technical person.

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Reply #170 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 5:11pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 4:42pm:

they see the future, communicating easier, the way it will effectively introduce a whole new functionality to business and work life

that is meaningless nonsense that says absolutely nothing of value. WHAT new functionaility??? every time I ask that I get some truly idiotic answers. Let me list a few of them:

Online shopping.

FTTN can do that so you get a tick here

ONline doctors visits - because a doctor never needs to actually EXAMINE you!!

So a you need to personally visit a doctor to say how you've been feeling since post treatment? Yeah you seem to cut a lot of corners in your arguments. And if you'd like I can provide more examples of situations in which it would be more preferred to contact a doctor online

Education... we already do this
video conferencing.... never used Skype?

Because everyone knows skype has the best reception available. *facepalm* I even use skype on a regular basis so I actually know how untrue this is

downloading files.... yep, never before been done

With the expansion of technology files are going to get bigger and bigger, downloading 94gb files on 25mbps will be a bad time

smart houses... the technology is actually LOW BANDWIDTH

You also didn't mention upload speeds, more selective picking of information I see

etc.

you really do need to specifiy a need before spending vast amounts unnecessarily.

So yet again your not telling me any articles, books or facts you've collected. Has Malcolm Turnbull been spoon feeding you again?

Now to a proper argument.

FTTN still permits ANYONE to have fibre to the home. you just need to pay for that last segment which would therefore mean you would apply your own cost-benefit analysis which of course means the vast majority of residential customers wouldn't even consider it. Businesses would embrace it on a needs-basis alone.

Why should the residents of Australia be subjected to a failure of a network like the FTTN, yes I call it a failure, I have read the ins and outs of both parties policies well before the election

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106751 Melbourne Gender:	Re: NBN progress? Reply #171 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 5:15pm Fiber to the node will mean over 75,000 special boxes on various streets around Australia. If a car hits one - a whole suburb could lose their communications. You can thank the Libbos when you lose your connection.
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Reply #172 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 5:15pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 4:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 4:48pm:

Longy,
you forgot about cloud storage.
It means that business can back up their data for a nominal monthly fee.
It requires fiber optic.

forgiven

namaste

it DOESNT need fibre optic. It can actually be done on dial-up - just slowly. it is a function of upload speed and date size - nothing else.

and back up what??? what does the average residential user have that is so important it needs backing up? documents letters, assignments, photos?

people are already doing it!

No, it can't.

On dial-up, you cannot even open the Bigpond homepage or use Bigpond email.

FACT!

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Reply #173 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:50pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 4:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 4:48pm:

Longy,
you forgot about cloud storage.
It means that business can back up their data for a nominal monthly fee.
It requires fiber optic.

forgiven

namaste

it DOESNT need fibre optic. It can actually be done on dial-up - just slowly. it is a function of upload speed and date size - nothing else.

and back up what??? what does the average residential user have that is so important it needs backing up? documents letters, assignments, photos?

people are already doing it!

So why aren't we all still running dial-up ?

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Reply #174 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:22pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 4:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 4:48pm:

Longy,
you forgot about cloud storage.
It means that business can back up their data for a nominal monthly fee.
It requires fiber optic.

forgiven

namaste

it DOESNT need fibre optic. It can actually be done on dial-up - just slowly. it is a function of upload speed and date size - nothing else.

and back up what??? what does the average residential user have that is so important it needs backing up? documents letters, assignments, photos?

people are already doing it!

So why aren't we all still running dial-up ?

From Longy who claims to have a BSc then tells us we can upload
terabytes of data with dialup. Grin

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Reply #175 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:53pm

Quote:

AAP

The government's 2016 delivery deadline for the national broadband network looks likely to be blown out, according to a leaked internal NBN Co document.

The coalition has promised to deliver 25 megabits per second (Mbps) broadband services to all homes by 2016, but a brief to the incoming government, obtained by Fairfax Media, says construction and technical issues mean that may not happen.

"There are a number of conditions that will impact on NBN Co's ability to undertake a volume (fibre-to-the-node) network rollout," the report says.

"Given the complexity of these conditions, it is unlikely that NBN Co will meet the 2016 deadline to upgrade the fixed network to enable Australians to have minimum download speeds of 25Mbps."

In addition to raising issues about timing, the document also cuts revenue projections by up to 30 per cent by 2021.

A Senate hearing this week was told by communications secretaries that NBN Co will need to lower its revenue projections because copper can't match the speeds of 250-1000Mbps of fibre-to-the-premises FTTP.

The Abbott government campaigned to replace Labor's FTTP model for the cheaper fibre-to-the-node (FTTN) option that will rely on Telstra's ageing copper network to connect homes and businesses.

But while FTTN is estimated to be at least $15 billion cheaper and two years faster to build, the hearing was told NBN Co will need to lower its revenue projections as copper can't match the speeds of 250-1000Mbps of fibre-to-the-premises.

Speeds on FTTN are expected to be 25-100mbps.

(Can't post link need 100 posts Undecided

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So Longy, what were you saying about being here sooner?

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LaQuinn Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 195 Gender:	Re: NBN progress? Reply #176 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:59pm Edit: '#' posted the quote, regardless, information proves that FTTN, is already in 'shambles'
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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: NBN progress? Reply #177 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 8:01pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:22pm: ... From Longy who claims to have a BSc ... Oh, longweekend58 definitely has BS.
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Reply #178 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 8:12pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 5:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 4:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 4:48pm:

Longy,
you forgot about cloud storage.
It means that business can back up their data for a nominal monthly fee.
It requires fiber optic.

forgiven

namaste

it DOESNT need fibre optic. It can actually be done on dial-up - just slowly. it is a function of upload speed and date size - nothing else.

and back up what??? what does the average residential user have that is so important it needs backing up? documents letters, assignments, photos?

people are already doing it!

It does need fiber optic - it can involve terabytes of info to store all of a servers data.
You are clearly not a technical person.

garbage. how many HOME USERS have terabytes of data they need to upload and how many of them need to upload there data more than once? everytime you post you reveal your ignorance.

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Reply #179 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 8:14pm

LaQuinn wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 5:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 4:42pm:

they see the future, communicating easier, the way it will effectively introduce a whole new functionality to business and work life

that is meaningless nonsense that says absolutely nothing of value. WHAT new functionaility??? every time I ask that I get some truly idiotic answers. Let me list a few of them:

Online shopping.

FTTN can do that so you get a tick here

ONline doctors visits - because a doctor never needs to actually EXAMINE you!!

So a you need to personally visit a doctor to say how you've been feeling since post treatment? Yeah you seem to cut a lot of corners in your arguments. And if you'd like I can provide more examples of situations in which it would be more preferred to contact a doctor online

Education... we already do this
video conferencing.... never used Skype?

Because everyone knows skype has the best reception available. *facepalm* I even use skype on a regular basis so I actually know how untrue this is

downloading files.... yep, never before been done

With the expansion of technology files are going to get bigger and bigger, downloading 94gb files on 25mbps will be a bad time

smart houses... the technology is actually LOW BANDWIDTH

You also didn't mention upload speeds, more selective picking of information I see

etc.

you really do need to specifiy a need before spending vast amounts unnecessarily.

So yet again your not telling me any articles, books or facts you've collected. Has Malcolm Turnbull been spoon feeding you again?

Now to a proper argument.

FTTN still permits ANYONE to have fibre to the home. you just need to pay for that last segment which would therefore mean you would apply your own cost-benefit analysis which of course means the vast majority of residential customers wouldn't even consider it. Businesses would embrace it on a needs-basis alone.

Why should the residents of Australia be subjected to a failure of a network like the FTTN, yes I call it a failure, I have read the ins and outs of both parties policies well before the election

and just like everybody else, you are totally unable to articulate a need for super-fast broadband. not ONE use.

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