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Reply #1845 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 8:31pm
 
Shadow Min may have lied and said $26bn.

Strategic Review, conducted by Turncoat’s cronies, said $41Bn.

So the $41Bn stands.

Ready for the next figure?
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Reply #1846 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 8:34pm
 
RabbitO8 wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 8:31pm:
Public funding of $29.5 billion will be required for a Coalition NBN.
Labor currently claims funding of
$44.1 billion
will be required to complete its NBN. But many telecommunications experts believe the existing NBN Co Corporate Plan significantly underestimates the likely cost and duration of Labor’s rollout, which involves running fibre to 12.2 million households and businesses.

The Coalition estimates
Labor’s NBN could cost $94 billion
, based on plausible assumptions that are less optimistic than those in the Corporate Plan about revenue growth, building costs and user take-up. This implies savings from switching to a Coalition NBN could be $64 billion rather than $15 billion.

Electioneering crap, since disowned.

You accept the $41Bn stated by the Strategic Review? If you haven’t read the SR, and I have the feeling neither of you cretins has, links and a discussion on the SR have been posted in this thread. Go away and read it then come back and acknowledge I was right. Away you go, I will be here when you have done that.
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Reply #1847 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 8:35pm
 
So, the $41Bn of the SR has blown your case out the water.
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Reply #1848 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 8:50pm
 
$29.5Bn is the cost to the taxpayer under the coalition.
$94Bn is the cost to the taxpayer under the ALP.

Not that it matters. You will get what you're given and be thankful to Malcolm because its more than you deserve. Then you can apologise to all Australians for your stupidity in trying to waste their money.
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Reply #1849 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 8:55pm
 
OK, you are intellectually outgunned. Fine.

Have a good if limited life, working in a  call centre or something equally dumb.
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Reply #1850 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 9:02pm
 
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
I see you have nothing. Enjoy your failed businesses and life on the dole.  Grin
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Reply #1851 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 9:47pm
 
RabbitO8 wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 8:50pm:
$29.5Bn is the cost to the taxpayer under the coalition.
$94Bn is the cost to the taxpayer under the ALP.


ABSOLUTE CRAP - AND YOU KNOW IT!


The cost for the Coalition is 41 billion - this has been shown to be correct.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-12/braue-the-inconvenient-truth-for-the-coali...

The reality is much humbler - $73 billion if the current FttP rollout is continued, versus $41 billion for the Coalition's mostly FttN model. Factor in potential financial and social returns, and it's not even clear that the Coalition's option represents the best value-for-money option.

http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/coalition-lied-about-true-cost-of-nbn...

He said the true cost of the original plan had been estimated by the review to be $55.9 billion, nearly $20 billion higher than planned.

When asked if the $90 billion estimate was then a "political figure" floated to win votes, Mr Fletcher admitted that figure was also wrong.

"You're right that the estimate that we had developed in opposition was a little higher again from that number."

Mr Fletcher went on to say "the work we did in opposition stands up as a very rigorous piece of analysis and ... we said we'd conduct the strategic review when in government and publish that".

Mr Clare told Fairfax Media that Mr Fletcher's admission proved the Coalition had lied.

"They just lied. They made that figure up.

"They had a strategy at the last election which was to neutralise the issue. Seventy-eight per cent of Australians support the real NBN,  so it is very clear they had a strategy to neutralise the issues, same as with education funding. They had a strategy to neutralise it, promise something before the election, then break the promise."

So the Coalition lied then?

They promised 29.5 billion, they promised 2016 and they promised 25 mbps for all - this has been shown for the lie it is.

How can you be so wrong and believe your position, when it has been discounted countless times by industry experts?

Do some research and get back to me.

Next you'll be sprouting b.s about lazers and wireless being the future.

Having used 3g, adsl, adsl 2, hfc and fibre I can without any hesitation say that the reliability, speed and data included in each plan is in that order.

Have any of you "wireless is the future" champions notices that the data limits for wireless plans have decreased in the past 12 months, whilst the degradation of the service has increased thanks to over subscription, lack of spectrum and congestion?
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Reply #1852 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 10:10pm
 
They aren’t big on facts.
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Reply #1853 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 10:35pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 7:52pm:
St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 7:34pm:
Good old wireless, every time there are a couple clouds in the sky you need to reboot the modem multiple times.


another lie.  you sound like a 15yo with nothing to do an no appreciable experience of anything.

I have to admit that is seriously cloud cuckoo land stuff there.
he may have fallen in the vat.  Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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Reply #1854 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 10:38pm
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 8:20pm:
So you can’t argue against my figures. Enjoying the sight of two utter cretins flailing about  Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin

You cant argue for them...  figure plucked out of your undercarriage is hardly proof of anything.
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Reply #1855 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 11:00pm
 
Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 9:47pm:
RabbitO8 wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 8:50pm:
$29.5Bn is the cost to the taxpayer under the coalition.
$94Bn is the cost to the taxpayer under the ALP.


ABSOLUTE CRAP - AND YOU KNOW IT!




You will have to do much better than posting an opinion piece by Clare and one of the ALP industry lackeys who of course champion free, over egged infrastructure paid for by the taxpayer.

You lefty NBN fanbois still haven't got it through your thick heads, that you will get what the righties decide to give you and nothing more.

Suck it up, losers. Be thankful that you are getting anything at all. It should never have been started in the first place.
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Reply #1856 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 11:01pm
 
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/fact-checker/will-the-nbn-cost-94-billion...

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The claim
Labor says its national broadband network will cost $44.1 billion. The Coalition says it will cost double that, and three times the cost of the scaled-down $29.5 billion version the Coalition is taking to the polls.


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Supporting evidence
The first is that its wholesale earnings per user start at $22 per month and then climb to $62 by 2020-21 when the NBN is finished. Mr Turnbull says that's a dramatic  increase of 9 per cent per year above inflation. There are few precedents for such an increase. For a decade now real fixed-line spending per person has been falling. NBN Co is assuming a huge turnaround.

Looks like Monks costings are way out and its going to get worse when the project is complete after all.
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The second assumption is that NBN Co can wire up each fibre connection for an average of $2400 (satellite and wireless connections will cost much more).



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The third assumption is that the NBN will be finished on time. Due in 2021, it has already missed many deadlines. NBN Co itself describes its task as ''challenging''.


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Put together and building on each other, these ''quite moderate and realistic'' assumptions push up the total cost of the project to $94 billion by the delayed completion date of 2025. By then Mr Turnbull says NBN Co will also be losing $5 billion per year.


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Does it stack up?
On earnings per user, NBN Co chief Mike Quigley told Parliament in April that he was making $38 per month, not the $22 quoted by Mr Turnbull (although Mr Turnbull's figure came from Mr Quigley's corporate plan).


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On costs, NBN Co has told the parliamentary committee it is managing to connect each user for $2200 to $2500, close to its assumption of $2400. Mr Turnbull believes that estimate excludes some costs and is dominated by the low cost of the easier connections NBN Co is doing first.


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On the question of delays, Mr Quigley told the committee in April that he stood by his target of finishing the NBN by 2021. Then in July he resigned, declaring his job of laying the foundations for the project ''largely complete''. NBN Co had expected to have 566,000 active users by June 2013. It managed to connect 33,600.


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Mr Albanese told Lateline this week that Mr Turnbull's $94 billion figure had been ''plucked out of a Coco Pops packet''.   ''And indeed, the joint parliamentary committee, of which Malcolm is a member, did consider this and found there was no basis in fact.''
In fact the committee made no such finding.


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Mr Turnbull is on strong ground when he says the final cost of Labor's NBN would be likely to exceed the claimed $44.1 billion. Most major projects go over budget. Australia's Parliament House was to cost $220 million. It eventually cost five times as much, $1.1 billion. The Sydney Opera House cost 14 times the original estimate.  But the Snowy Mountains Scheme is said to have been delivered on time and on budget. Labor's NBN is bigger than them all.


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So difficult is it to estimate the cost of such a project that parliamentary budget officer Phil Bowen this week revealed he would not have been able to cost the Coalition's alternative NBN plan had it asked him to.

Monk of course has managed to do both by himself.
Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy

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The government says NBN Co's corporate plan has been ''independently verified by KPMG and Greenhill Caliburn'', but the KPMG study wasn't independent (NBN Co paid it for the task) and it took place before construction began. The Greenhill Caliburn review was a paper exercise, which did not examine actual performance.


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Labor's NBN would end up costing $44.1 billion if a lot of things went right. So far several have not. Turnbull's estimate of $94 billion is unverifiable, but possible if Labor won the election and did not alter its NBN plan.


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If Mr Turnbull had merely said that it was highly probable Labor's NBN would end up costing more than the claimed $44.1 billion PolitiFact would have rated the claim ''true'' or ''mostly true'' based on what is known.


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None of the senior telecommunications analysts PolitiFact spoke to wanted to go on record. Each shared one or more of Mr Turnbull's doubts about the NBN Co's assumptions.
Mr Turnbull has gone further and quantified those doubts. His estimate may be on the high side, it may be on the low side.


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PolitiFact finds Turnbull's claim that Labor's NBN would eventually cost $94 billion possible but unverifiable. It rates it "half true".

Monk of course rates it totally untrue.
  Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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Reply #1857 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 11:06pm
 
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Small businesses divided over NBN benefits
Date April 15, 2014
Lia Timson

NBN's new broom sweeps in hard and fast against TPG.  Australian small and medium size businesses are split about the benefits of a national broadband network and collectively unsure if faster internet speeds will improve their lot.

A survey of 1032 Australian SMEs by accounting software provider MYOB has found 17 per cent were already connected to new NBN services and that 45 per cent of those were satisfied with the service.

Satisfaction with alternative services was similar, however, for workplaces not connected to the NBN. Of the 75 per cent not on the new network, 49 per cent were satisfied with their current service.

A similar number (49 per cent), believed the NBN would have a positive impact on their business. But approximately 47 per cent said a faster network would have no impact or didn't know what impact it would have on their business. From those, about two thirds said they didn't care about faster internet speeds or didn't know enough to make an informed decision.

Of the 1032 companies surveyed, 597 didn’t have a website for their business but felt NBN would bring benefits, while of those already online, 75 per cent believed the network would be beneficial.

MYOB chief executive Tim
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Reed said the results reflected current patterns in the small business community.

“When we have a look at the differences between the businesses that are performing well and the businesses that are finding it more difficult, the biggest single factor is that businesses that are utilising online technologies like a website or cloud computing are far more likely to see their revenue grow and be optimistic about the future."
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Reply #1858 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 11:09pm
 
Basically, it was a project that should never have been started in the first place.
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Reply #1859 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 11:37pm
 
It is actually a good idea.  An NBN I mean.
But as per usual with Labor and particularly the last 2 ALP governments they lack the talent to do anything properly.
Between Kevin "haste makes waste" Rudd and Stephen "thought bubble" Conroy it never stood a chance.
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