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Re: NBN progress?
Reply #210 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 11:23am

Longweekend:
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ADSL 1 was 1.5Mps ADSL2 is up to 24Mbps and averages 12Mbps

24mbps is theoretically possible, but I have yet to find anyone getting that. Additionally, the 12mbps is the line/sync speed - it is NOT the download speed - that will come out closer to about 2-4mbps.

But there is good news, Australia has moved up the scale of world internet connection speeds. In August this year Computerword reported:

Quote:

Australia finally beats Mongolia in internet speeds -- just
Australia still lags in upload speeds

Australia has finally beaten Mongolia in average internet download speeds, according to the Net Index by Speedtest net.

Australia now ranks 50th in the Households Download Index with an average speed of 13.64Mbps.

This compares to Mongolia, which ranked 52nd with an average download speed of 13.25Mbps.

Australia previously ranked 45th when it came to download speeds with 13.09Mbps, beaten by Mongolia which ranked 43rd with speeds of 13.80Mbps.

Luxembourg topped the download list with an average download speed of 115.40Mbps, while Burkina Faso in West Africa bottomed out the list at 0.20Mbps.

However, Mongolia trounced Australia when it came to upload speeds, with Mongolia coming in at 23rd with 10.40Mbps. This compares to Australia, which came in at 95th with a measly 2.42Mbps.

Luxembourg, which is one of the smallest countries in Europe, also topped the upload list with average speeds of 86.72Mbps and Burkina Faso recording just 0.27Mbps for uploads.

The index compares download and upload speeds around the world from February 2011 to August 2013 where the average distance between the client and server is less than 300 miles (483km).

NB Speedtest quotes line/sync speeds as download speeds,

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Re: NBN progress?
Reply #211 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 12:05pm

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D) where are these miracle high bandwidth apps that should be available by now from the places that already have FTTH??? don't exist...

I wish I had a crystal ball to tell you Longweekend so that we could both make a fortune as these new aps came to market (or better still, invest some venture capital in sure fire winners early in development

Many many years ago I worked for IBM. As an employee I could be on a stock purchase plan - Their shares were about $250 and grew to $450 and had a stock split (2 for one) and their shares were back at $250 - great

But IBM didnt have a crystal ball either.

They knocked back an opportunity for the rights to a photocopier patent (Xerox took it up).

with the mild interest in the introduction of microcomputers, IBM gave them legitimacy in the business world with the introduction of the IBM Personal Computer (or PC as we call them). They clearly didn't think there was much potential - the PC design was open architecture so anyone could copy, and they gave the software rights to a startup company called Microsoft.

I believe IBM shares are currently worth about $1.00. Clearly IBM lost its vision for the future or what people can do with new technology.

Imagine if the there were people like Abbott, Turnbull (or Longweekend) around in the 1920's to approve or disapprove the fantastic load carrying capabilities of the Sydney Harbour Bridge. A capability that was way beyond that needed at the time.

Australia has had some great visionaries in our time. Whitlam, Keating and Howard - even with each of their faults, pushed Australia forward. Our current government would have us using tin cans and a string.

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Re: NBN progress?
Reply #212 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 12:24pm

Actually, fair call re the great new apps and services from ubiquitous FTTH.

South Korea—2mbps FTTH pretty much everywhere. No great new apps. A great game, WoW. Don’t know about Singapore. Chattanooga is a great case study, they are really exploring the benefits of ubiquitous superfast internet but there it was the city council built the network—and so power companies got laws passed so no other municipality could do that. Land of the not–so free.

Governments need to lead the way to get the new aps and Conroy was pushing, for example with telehealth, mashups using unprecedented publication of all sorts of statistical information. Education uses too.

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Re: NBN progress?
Reply #213 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 12:37pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 12:24pm:

Actually, fair call re the great new apps and services from ubiquitous FTTH.

South Korea—2mbps FTTH pretty much everywhere. No great new apps. A great game, WoW. Don’t know about Singapore. Chattanooga is a great case study, they are really exploring the benefits of ubiquitous superfast internet but there it was the city council built the network—and so power companies got laws passed so no other municipality could do that. Land of the not–so free.

Governments need to lead the way to get the new aps and Conroy was pushing, for example with telehealth, mashups using unprecedented publication of all sorts of statistical information. Education uses too.

I will concede to Longweekend that Telehealth does not need high bandwidth. But what he ignores is that Teleheath requires reliability. Currently, congestion and weather (rain) affects the reliability of our current network.

But be realistic, Longweekend doesn't need the reliability - he is fine, so all others can go to hell.

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Reply #214 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 1:15pm

Meanwhile, back at the coalface, demand keeps rising and the campaign continues. Try to avoid getting distracted by details. The fact that we might not know what the bandwidth is being used for doesn't stop the demand from rising.

It's been picked up by the Australian Financial Review, Sydney Morning Herald, Channel 7 News and many, many other news outlets -- Tuesday's NBN national day of action has blown us away.

Hundreds of you helped to deliver the petition to 120 MPs right across the country, we put our case for fibre-to-the-home directly to NBN Co's CEO Ziggy Switkowski -- and it's forcing politicians within Tony Abbott's own government to start openly discussing the huge support for fair, affordable broadband.

We've just finished putting together this quick video about Tuesday's national day of action and our campaign so far to save the NBN. It's amazing to see what 270,000 people can achieve when we're in something together -- click here to check out the video, and be sure to share it with friends and family.

As Malcolm Turnbull and NBN Co start making decisions on the future of Australia's broadband over the coming days, know that you're voice is in the mix. We're being heard.

Thanks so much for being a part of this campaign for fair, affordable access to broadband.

Let's keep it up.

Nick, Alex and Save the NBN campaign

P.S. There's ongoing updates about how you can help on our Facebook page -- and you can grab t-shirts and online NBN defender kits on the website here.

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Re: NBN progress?
Reply #215 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 1:26pm

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 12:37pm:

... Longweekend doesn't need the reliability - he is fine, so all others can go to hell.

I reckon it's scarier than that; longweekend58 shows signs of a psychosis known as a God Complex. He thinks he's omniscient, so anything that he doesn't understand can't be so.

He yearns for boys

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-- Sir William Preece, chief engineer of the British Post Office, 1876.

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Re: NBN progress?
Reply #216 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 1:34pm

# wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 1:26pm:

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 12:37pm:

... Longweekend doesn't need the reliability - he is fine, so all others can go to hell.

I reckon it's scarier than that; longweekend58 shows signs of a psychosis known as a God Complex. He thinks he's omniscient, so anything that he doesn't understand can't be so.

He yearns for boys

delivering telegrams on bicycles.

Quote:

The Americans have need of the telephone, but we do not. We have plenty of messenger boys.

-- Sir William Preece, chief engineer of the British Post Office, 1876.

That would imply he thinks for himself. You have it wrong....
He only reports here what his Con-servatavites think

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Re: NBN progress?
Reply #217 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 4:32pm

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 11:23am:

Longweekend:
Quote:

ADSL 1 was 1.5Mps ADSL2 is up to 24Mbps and averages 12Mbps

24mbps is theoretically possible, but I have yet to find anyone getting that. Additionally, the 12mbps is the line/sync speed - it is NOT the download speed - that will come out closer to about 2-4mbps.

But there is good news, Australia has moved up the scale of world internet connection speeds. In August this year Computerword reported:

Quote:

Australia finally beats Mongolia in internet speeds -- just
Australia still lags in upload speeds

Australia has finally beaten Mongolia in average internet download speeds, according to the Net Index by Speedtest net.

Australia now ranks 50th in the Households Download Index with an average speed of 13.64Mbps.

This compares to Mongolia, which ranked 52nd with an average download speed of 13.25Mbps.

Australia previously ranked 45th when it came to download speeds with 13.09Mbps, beaten by Mongolia which ranked 43rd with speeds of 13.80Mbps.

Luxembourg topped the download list with an average download speed of 115.40Mbps, while Burkina Faso in West Africa bottomed out the list at 0.20Mbps.

However, Mongolia trounced Australia when it came to upload speeds, with Mongolia coming in at 23rd with 10.40Mbps. This compares to Australia, which came in at 95th with a measly 2.42Mbps.

Luxembourg, which is one of the smallest countries in Europe, also topped the upload list with average speeds of 86.72Mbps and Burkina Faso recording just 0.27Mbps for uploads.

The index compares download and upload speeds around the world from February 2011 to August 2013 where the average distance between the client and server is less than 300 miles (483km).

NB Speedtest quotes line/sync speeds as download speeds,

my brother gets 22Mbps. and you are wrong about the rest too. 12Mps quates very closely to 1.5Mbytes per second and I have achieved close to 900kBYTES /second out of my 8Mbps connection.

and even if it were right (which it isn't) that would reduce the effective rate of FNF from 100 to 25 as well.

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Re: NBN progress?
Reply #218 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 4:35pm

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 12:05pm:

Longweekend:
Quote:

D) where are these miracle high bandwidth apps that should be available by now from the places that already have FTTH??? don't exist...

I wish I had a crystal ball to tell you Longweekend so that we could both make a fortune as these new aps came to market (or better still, invest some venture capital in sure fire winners early in development

Many many years ago I worked for IBM. As an employee I could be on a stock purchase plan - Their shares were about $250 and grew to $450 and had a stock split (2 for one) and their shares were back at $250 - great

But IBM didnt have a crystal ball either.

They knocked back an opportunity for the rights to a photocopier patent (Xerox took it up).

with the mild interest in the introduction of microcomputers, IBM gave them legitimacy in the business world with the introduction of the IBM Personal Computer (or PC as we call them). They clearly didn't think there was much potential - the PC design was open architecture so anyone could copy, and they gave the software rights to a startup company called Microsoft.

I believe IBM shares are currently worth about $1.00. Clearly IBM lost its vision for the future or what people can do with new technology.

Imagine if the there were people like Abbott, Turnbull (or Longweekend) around in the 1920's to approve or disapprove the fantastic load carrying capabilities of the Sydney Harbour Bridge. A capability that was way beyond that needed at the time.

Australia has had some great visionaries in our time. Whitlam, Keating and Howard - even with each of their faults, pushed Australia forward. Our current government would have us using tin cans and a string.

and for every IBM that missed the boat there are a dozen companies that sailed on a boat that sank without trace. Many many technologies have bankrupted companies and sent them to the wall. Vision is great in hindsight but looking ahead is the stuff of prophets.

in the meantime, where are all these amazing heavy bandwith apps that everybody simply MUST HAVE or else their lives are at risk? FTTP is available in many places and yet... still no apps. The world isn't waiting the Australia to complete the NBN before inventing these things.

bottom line... the presumption that bandiwth need must naturally increase for ever is as floored as the notion that Moores law (do you know that one) also applied ad infinitum. like ALL growth markets, there is a saturation point.

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Re: NBN progress?
Reply #219 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 4:38pm

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 12:37pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 12:24pm:

Actually, fair call re the great new apps and services from ubiquitous FTTH.

South Korea—2mbps FTTH pretty much everywhere. No great new apps. A great game, WoW. Don’t know about Singapore. Chattanooga is a great case study, they are really exploring the benefits of ubiquitous superfast internet but there it was the city council built the network—and so power companies got laws passed so no other municipality could do that. Land of the not–so free.

Governments need to lead the way to get the new aps and Conroy was pushing, for example with telehealth, mashups using unprecedented publication of all sorts of statistical information. Education uses too.

I will concede to Longweekend that Telehealth does not need high bandwidth. But what he ignores is that Teleheath requires reliability. Currently, congestion and weather (rain) affects the reliability of our current network.

But be realistic, Longweekend doesn't need the reliability - he is fine, so all others can go to hell.

garbage. I know of no one whose internet is not pretty much rock-solid. and if you are one of those people whose health would be at risk if your internet was down for even a few hours, then you shouldn't be at home. Service interruptions are unavoidable - even in fibre. it does your internet connection if any one of the myriad pieces of equipment between you and the ISP breaks down.

and what happens in a power failure??? or worse... a LARGE power failure?

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Re: Update 1 December
Reply #220 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 4:39pm

# wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 1:15pm:

Meanwhile, back at the coalface, demand keeps rising and the campaign continues. Try to avoid getting distracted by details. The fact that we might not know what the bandwidth is being used for doesn't stop the demand from rising.

It's been picked up by the Australian Financial Review, Sydney Morning Herald, Channel 7 News and many, many other news outlets -- Tuesday's NBN national day of action has blown us away.

Hundreds of you helped to deliver the petition to 120 MPs right across the country, we put our case for fibre-to-the-home directly to NBN Co's CEO Ziggy Switkowski -- and it's forcing politicians within Tony Abbott's own government to start openly discussing the huge support for fair, affordable broadband.

We've just finished putting together this quick video about Tuesday's national day of action and our campaign so far to save the NBN. It's amazing to see what 270,000 people can achieve when we're in something together -- click here to check out the video, and be sure to share it with friends and family.

As Malcolm Turnbull and NBN Co start making decisions on the future of Australia's broadband over the coming days, know that you're voice is in the mix. We're being heard.

Thanks so much for being a part of this campaign for fair, affordable access to broadband.

Let's keep it up.

Nick, Alex and Save the NBN campaign

P.S. There's ongoing updates about how you can help on our Facebook page -- and you can grab t-shirts and online NBN defender kits on the website here.

PROVE TO ME THAT DEMAND IS STIL LRISING EXPONENTIALLY... so far you['ve done nothing but repeat the claim but offered no evidence whatsoever.

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Re: NBN progress?
Reply #221 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 4:40pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 4:32pm:

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 11:23am:

Longweekend:
Quote:

ADSL 1 was 1.5Mps ADSL2 is up to 24Mbps and averages 12Mbps

24mbps is theoretically possible, but I have yet to find anyone getting that. Additionally, the 12mbps is the line/sync speed - it is NOT the download speed - that will come out closer to about 2-4mbps.

But there is good news, Australia has moved up the scale of world internet connection speeds. In August this year Computerword reported:

Quote:

Australia finally beats Mongolia in internet speeds -- just
Australia still lags in upload speeds

Australia has finally beaten Mongolia in average internet download speeds, according to the Net Index by Speedtest net.

Australia now ranks 50th in the Households Download Index with an average speed of 13.64Mbps.

This compares to Mongolia, which ranked 52nd with an average download speed of 13.25Mbps.

Australia previously ranked 45th when it came to download speeds with 13.09Mbps, beaten by Mongolia which ranked 43rd with speeds of 13.80Mbps.

Luxembourg topped the download list with an average download speed of 115.40Mbps, while Burkina Faso in West Africa bottomed out the list at 0.20Mbps.

However, Mongolia trounced Australia when it came to upload speeds, with Mongolia coming in at 23rd with 10.40Mbps. This compares to Australia, which came in at 95th with a measly 2.42Mbps.

Luxembourg, which is one of the smallest countries in Europe, also topped the upload list with average speeds of 86.72Mbps and Burkina Faso recording just 0.27Mbps for uploads.

The index compares download and upload speeds around the world from February 2011 to August 2013 where the average distance between the client and server is less than 300 miles (483km).

NB Speedtest quotes line/sync speeds as download speeds,

my brother gets 22Mbps. and you are wrong about the rest too. 12Mps quates very closely to 1.5Mbytes per second and I have achieved close to 900kBYTES /second out of my 8Mbps connection.

and even if it were right (which it isn't) that would reduce the effective rate of FNF from 100 to 25 as well.

do you even know what you are talking about?

have a trip to whirlpool dot com and post your thesis.... you will be laughed out of the forum

BTW ... you must be proud of our new world ranking

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Re: NBN progress?
Reply #222 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 4:40pm

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 1:34pm:

# wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 1:26pm:

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 12:37pm:

... Longweekend doesn't need the reliability - he is fine, so all others can go to hell.

I reckon it's scarier than that; longweekend58 shows signs of a psychosis known as a God Complex. He thinks he's omniscient, so anything that he doesn't understand can't be so.

He yearns for boys

delivering telegrams on bicycles.

Quote:

The Americans have need of the telephone, but we do not. We have plenty of messenger boys.

-- Sir William Preece, chief engineer of the British Post Office, 1876.

That would imply he thinks for himself. You have it wrong....
He only reports here what his Con-servatavites think

]

pitifull... like all faux-intelligentsia you are too arrogant to believe that any contrary opinion can be original or fact based.

in fact. you are the morons that have repeatedly failed to provide any evidence whatsoever to support your claim.

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Re: NBN progress?
Reply #223 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 4:50pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 4:40pm:

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 1:34pm:

# wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 1:26pm:

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 12:37pm:

... Longweekend doesn't need the reliability - he is fine, so all others can go to hell.

I reckon it's scarier than that; longweekend58 shows signs of a psychosis known as a God Complex. He thinks he's omniscient, so anything that he doesn't understand can't be so.

He yearns for boys

delivering telegrams on bicycles.

Quote:

The Americans have need of the telephone, but we do not. We have plenty of messenger boys.

-- Sir William Preece, chief engineer of the British Post Office, 1876.

That would imply he thinks for himself. You have it wrong....
He only reports here what his Con-servatavites think

]

pitifull... like all faux-intelligentsia you are too arrogant to believe that any contrary opinion can be original or fact based.

in fact. you are the morons that have repeatedly failed to provide any evidence whatsoever to support your claim.

unlike you i enjoy contrary opinion. it makes me check my facts, ensure i dont make assumptions, go on tangents , etc.

and in disagreeing with you I only provided supported facts ... i didn't need to resort to insults.

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Re: NBN progress?
Reply #224 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 4:53pm

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 4:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 4:32pm:

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 11:23am:

Longweekend:
Quote:

ADSL 1 was 1.5Mps ADSL2 is up to 24Mbps and averages 12Mbps

24mbps is theoretically possible, but I have yet to find anyone getting that. Additionally, the 12mbps is the line/sync speed - it is NOT the download speed - that will come out closer to about 2-4mbps.

But there is good news, Australia has moved up the scale of world internet connection speeds. In August this year Computerword reported:

Quote:

Australia finally beats Mongolia in internet speeds -- just
Australia still lags in upload speeds

Australia has finally beaten Mongolia in average internet download speeds, according to the Net Index by Speedtest net.

Australia now ranks 50th in the Households Download Index with an average speed of 13.64Mbps.

This compares to Mongolia, which ranked 52nd with an average download speed of 13.25Mbps.

Australia previously ranked 45th when it came to download speeds with 13.09Mbps, beaten by Mongolia which ranked 43rd with speeds of 13.80Mbps.

Luxembourg topped the download list with an average download speed of 115.40Mbps, while Burkina Faso in West Africa bottomed out the list at 0.20Mbps.

However, Mongolia trounced Australia when it came to upload speeds, with Mongolia coming in at 23rd with 10.40Mbps. This compares to Australia, which came in at 95th with a measly 2.42Mbps.

Luxembourg, which is one of the smallest countries in Europe, also topped the upload list with average speeds of 86.72Mbps and Burkina Faso recording just 0.27Mbps for uploads.

The index compares download and upload speeds around the world from February 2011 to August 2013 where the average distance between the client and server is less than 300 miles (483km).

NB Speedtest quotes line/sync speeds as download speeds,

my brother gets 22Mbps. and you are wrong about the rest too. 12Mps quates very closely to 1.5Mbytes per second and I have achieved close to 900kBYTES /second out of my 8Mbps connection.

and even if it were right (which it isn't) that would reduce the effective rate of FNF from 100 to 25 as well.

do you even know what you are talking about?

have a trip to whirlpool dot com and post your thesis.... you will be laughed out of the forum

BTW ... you must be proud of our new world ranking

so how do I manage 7Mbps actual downloads from my 8Mbps conncetion?

and the rest of your nonsense is just as silly. Like all NBN-fanatics you are yet to come up with ONE SINGLE USE of superfast broadband other than piratebay.

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