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Reply #240 - Dec 2nd, 2013 at 7:19pm
 
For the genuinely interested, the report of the 2011 National Bandwidth Inquiry is still online. It doesn't say what the current government wants, so they'll probably try to bury it. Get it while you can.

I prefer the short form. That 1Gb/s by 2020 projection is a pretty good target. It brings the life span potential of copper into focus.
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Reply #241 - Dec 2nd, 2013 at 7:19pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 4:08pm:
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and yet you still absolutely refuse to support your silly claim that broadband is growing EXPONENTIALLY.
You have my answer. Your denial will be judged by the readers.

Your challenge now is to present credible evidence that bandwidth demand:
- isn't following the established trend and
- won't reach 1Gb/s by 2020.
Credible evidence includes none of your habitual:
- ignorant opinion;
- unsubstantiated assertion nor
- outright fabrication.
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Reply #242 - Dec 3rd, 2013 at 1:29pm
 
http://www.zdnet.com/the-12-labours-of-turnbull-nbn-hurdles-coalition-must-cross...

Like the twelve labours of Hercules from Greek mythology, the issues identified in the report are many and complex. Here they are:

The delivery of a new Statement of Expectations (SoE). The SoE outlines the new government’s overall strategy and an updated SoE was delivered by Malcolm Turnbull to NBN Co in late September (click here to read it).

The development of NBN Co's FTTN architecture and FTTN product suite. The NBN will offer a range of wholesale broadband services to retail service providers (RSPs), but these are limited by technical considerations and are likely to be different than those under the current FTTP rollout. NBN Co advised that these limits will restrict the range of products and services that can be offered over the network, which will in turn affect an FttN's revenue potential and future product strategy.

The renegotiation, shareholder approval and ACCC approval of the $11 billion Telstra Definitive Agreement. The current $11b agreement, negotiated over two years between the Labor government and Telstra, only allows NBN Co to run its own fibre through Telstra’s underground network ducts; it does not provide access to the network itself.

Turnbull’s FttN plan relies on this access, and he has previously indicated he expects Telstra will give the government access to the network for free. However, Telstra has recently been talking up the value of the copper network and is unlikely to hand it over for free. While CEO David Thodey has called for a quick renegotiation with the government, the real length of time it will take is still anybody's guess – particularly since the deal is already the subject of legal action by Telstra.

Gaining exemptions from regulatory requirements that could prevent a rollout by NBN Co using Telstra's copper sub-loop. Effecting any substantive legislative change in this area is likely to be difficult for the new government until the new Parliament sits in mid 2014.

Gaining access to the copper network, with time factored into the build for the "significant amount of network remediation that is expected to be required" as the network is rolled out. Telstra CEO David Thodey has argued that the company's network will last another 100 years, but outside observers have said parts are "dilapidated". The leaked NBN Co report makes it clear that the full extent of remediation is still unknown.

Successful deployment of a VDSL2 trial, which will be "important" to finalise the wholesale product to be offered to retail service providers; clarifying the responsibilities for in-house wiring and CPE installations; finalising any requirements for the VDSL2 node equipment to be rolled out by NBN Co; and developing migration procedures. NBN Co CTO Gary McLaren recently said early trials of the technology had been a success, while Turnbull has feted the trial as an example of things to come.

Powering the FttN nodes, including negotiations with power companies to provide power to node sites. Such works are typically unremarkable everyday undertakings when related to the deployment of new street lights and intersection lights, but present a different challenge altogether at the scale of the Coalition's NBN policy.

The need for Council planning and approval requirements. Switkowski admitted on Friday that the full requirement for council approval for the installation of FttN nodes across Australia's streets is still unknown. The patchwork of approval processes could be a nightmare for NBN Co to navigate: even though it has a high success rate in getting approvals for wireless towers in rural areas, council approvals for work in high-density areas are notoriously unpredictable and there are likely to be protests from citizens.

Completion of procurement processes for any new suppliers, and renegotiation of existing supplier arrangements. Turnbull has previously said the former government's tender process had resulted in prices so low that it was sending contractors broke, and the high-profile pullout of NBN contractor Syntheo is likely to cause jitters amongst potential FttN bidders.

"Significant work involved" in the redevelopment of IT capabilities to support delivery of services over the copper network. NBN Co warned the government that the need to redevelop IT systems to support FttN's new product suite posed a "high risk" to the rollout. The current OSS/BSS tender was awarded to IBM in early 2011 at a cost of $200 million over a term of three years.

Time required to re-skill the existing workforce and source new employees necessary to deploy VDSL2 architectures "at volume". This includes redirection of existing FTTP contracts and retraining of existing employees. Availability of skilled employees – and getting enough of them into the field at adequate rates – has been a significant issue for the rollout and will continue to temper any rollout plan by the new government.

Reconsideration of the Special Access Undertaking (SAU) and Wholesale Broadband Agreement (WBA). The process of approving the SAU – the document that outlines NBN Co's pricing strategy through 2040 – has dragged on for years, with the ACCC most recently issuing instructions to NBN Co of additional changes it needs to make to approach regulatory approval.

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Reply #243 - Dec 3rd, 2013 at 2:09pm
 
# wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 7:19pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 4:08pm:
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and yet you still absolutely refuse to support your silly claim that broadband is growing EXPONENTIALLY.
You have my answer. Your denial will be judged by the readers.

Your challenge now is to present credible evidence that bandwidth demand:
- isn't following the established trend and
- won't reach 1Gb/s by 2020.
Credible evidence includes none of your habitual:
- ignorant opinion;
- unsubstantiated assertion nor
- outright fabrication.


you haven't established a trend for me to debunk.  all you have done is shown a graph up until 2004!!!!  this provies zip about current growth in demand.  This is what you do all the time... you simply repeatyour assertion and claim as proof... your ow previous opinion!

if you are sure of your claim then you should be able to provide documented proof and not merely your own repeated opinion.
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Reply #244 - Dec 3rd, 2013 at 2:10pm
 
Cliff48 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 7:12pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 5:55pm:
Cliff48 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 5:50pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 5:39pm:
Cliff48 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 5:34pm:
I see longweekend has run away after making false accusations


some of us have jobs - usually the ones NOT craving super-fast broadband because we are too busy... working.

so when you get the time from your busy schedule, could you please explain where i insulted you?



you cant read two posts up???


sure I can - but all I can find is that I disagreed with you - but I guess you find that insulting.


you really are a smacking buggerhead... which btw is not an insult. I am merely disagreeing with you.
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Reply #245 - Dec 3rd, 2013 at 3:38pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 2:10pm:
Cliff48 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 7:12pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 5:55pm:
Cliff48 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 5:50pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 5:39pm:
Cliff48 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 5:34pm:
I see longweekend has run away after making false accusations


some of us have jobs - usually the ones NOT craving super-fast broadband because we are too busy... working.

so when you get the time from your busy schedule, could you please explain where i insulted you?



you cant read two posts up???


sure I can - but all I can find is that I disagreed with you - but I guess you find that insulting.


you really are a smacking buggerhead... which btw is not an insult. I am merely disagreeing with you.


quick as a flash, without hardly thinking, he replied - "you are a smacking buggerhead"

WOW - I am impressed Longwanker - you really show your intelligence  Smiley
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Reply #246 - Dec 4th, 2013 at 12:26pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 2:09pm:
# wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 7:19pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 4:08pm:
...
and yet you still absolutely refuse to support your silly claim that broadband is growing EXPONENTIALLY.
You have my answer. Your denial will be judged by the readers.

Your challenge now is to present credible evidence that bandwidth demand:
- isn't following the established trend and
- won't reach 1Gb/s by 2020.
Credible evidence includes none of your habitual:
- ignorant opinion;
- unsubstantiated assertion nor
- outright fabrication.


you haven't established a trend for me to debunk.  all you have done is shown a graph up until 2004!!!!  this provies zip about current growth in demand.  This is what you do all the time... you simply repeatyour assertion and claim as proof... your ow previous opinion!

if you are sure of your claim then you should be able to provide documented proof and not merely your own repeated opinion.

Clearly, longweekend58, dishonesty comes readily to you. The more honest will judge on the evidence. Most telling is your failure to present any evidence at all.
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Reply #247 - Dec 4th, 2013 at 12:26pm
 
Cliff48 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 3:38pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 2:10pm:
Cliff48 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 7:12pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 5:55pm:
Cliff48 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 5:50pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 5:39pm:
Cliff48 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 5:34pm:
I see longweekend has run away after making false accusations


some of us have jobs - usually the ones NOT craving super-fast broadband because we are too busy... working.

so when you get the time from your busy schedule, could you please explain where i insulted you?



you cant read two posts up???


sure I can - but all I can find is that I disagreed with you - but I guess you find that insulting.


you really are a smacking buggerhead... which btw is not an insult. I am merely disagreeing with you.


quick as a flash, without hardly thinking, he replied - "you are a smacking buggerhead"

WOW - I am impressed Longwanker - you really show your intelligence  Smiley

His whining is calculated to distract. Yet another demonstration of longweekend58's compulsive dishonesty.
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Reply #248 - Dec 4th, 2013 at 12:41pm
 
# wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 12:26pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 2:09pm:
# wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 7:19pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 4:08pm:
...
and yet you still absolutely refuse to support your silly claim that broadband is growing EXPONENTIALLY.
You have my answer. Your denial will be judged by the readers.

Your challenge now is to present credible evidence that bandwidth demand:
- isn't following the established trend and
- won't reach 1Gb/s by 2020.
Credible evidence includes none of your habitual:
- ignorant opinion;
- unsubstantiated assertion nor
- outright fabrication.


you haven't established a trend for me to debunk.  all you have done is shown a graph up until 2004!!!!  this provies zip about current growth in demand.  This is what you do all the time... you simply repeatyour assertion and claim as proof... your ow previous opinion!

if you are sure of your claim then you should be able to provide documented proof and not merely your own repeated opinion.

Clearly, longweekend58, dishonesty comes readily to you. The more honest will judge on the evidence. Most telling is your failure to present any evidence at all.


you are the one making the claim bozo, not me.  you claim EXPONENTIAL GROWHT and yet provide no evidence - not even evidence of growth in the last 9 years.  You are a total failure at supporting your position.
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Reply #249 - Dec 4th, 2013 at 12:41pm
 
# wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 12:26pm:
Cliff48 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 3:38pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 2:10pm:
Cliff48 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 7:12pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 5:55pm:
Cliff48 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 5:50pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 5:39pm:
Cliff48 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 5:34pm:
I see longweekend has run away after making false accusations


some of us have jobs - usually the ones NOT craving super-fast broadband because we are too busy... working.

so when you get the time from your busy schedule, could you please explain where i insulted you?



you cant read two posts up???


sure I can - but all I can find is that I disagreed with you - but I guess you find that insulting.


you really are a smacking buggerhead... which btw is not an insult. I am merely disagreeing with you.


quick as a flash, without hardly thinking, he replied - "you are a smacking buggerhead"

WOW - I am impressed Longwanker - you really show your intelligence  Smiley

His whining is calculated to distract. Yet another demonstration of longweekend58's compulsive dishonesty.


other than you abuse and whining... do you have some actual evidence to present???
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Reply #250 - Dec 4th, 2013 at 1:09pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 2:10pm:
Cliff48 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 7:12pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 5:55pm:
Cliff48 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 5:50pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 5:39pm:
Cliff48 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 5:34pm:
I see longweekend has run away after making false accusations


some of us have jobs - usually the ones NOT craving super-fast broadband because we are too busy... working.

so when you get the time from your busy schedule, could you please explain where i insulted you?



you cant read two posts up???


sure I can - but all I can find is that I disagreed with you - but I guess you find that insulting.


you really are a smacking buggerhead... which btw is not an insult. I am merely disagreeing with you.



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Reply #251 - Dec 4th, 2013 at 1:21pm
 
http://www.zdnet.com/nbn-co-cant-guarantee-libs-50mbps-speed-promise-report-7000023901/

NBN Co would be unable to offer a guaranteed 50Mbps broadband service under the Coalition's alternative model for the national broadband network, NBN Co has warned in confidential briefing papers prepared for incoming communications minister Malcolm Turnbull.

The limitation is due to the unknown performance characteristics of the VDSL2 technology upon which the Coalition's broadband policy is based. VDSL2's real-world performance is based on the still-unknown condition of Telstra's copper network and the distance of any particular subscriber from the closest network node.

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Its ok, Longwanker will provide his consultancy services to show how NBNco will be able to get 100mbps over his tin cans and string technology.
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Reply #253 - Dec 4th, 2013 at 2:52pm
 
Cliff48 wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 2:32pm:
Its ok, Longwanker will provide his consultancy services to show how NBNco will be able to get 100mbps over his tin cans and string technology.


It's just been proven that their fttn solution will never offer this speed in Australia.

As we know - the copper is too degraded, is not in pairs and won't provide anywhere near this speed.

http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/nbn-fibre-upgrade-essential-20131204-hv4ba.html

NBN Co’s long-term profitability will be restricted if the Coalition’s proposed mix of cable, copper and fibre networks is not replaced with a full fibre network in coming years, government briefings reveal.

A draft confidential NBN Co report, prepared for the incoming government during the caretaker period and obtained by Fairfax Media, warned that it was "essential" for the Coalition to factor the cost of upgrading to a fibre-to-the-premises network into its financial forecasts.

The absence of high-capacity services on a fibre-to-the-node network would compromise NBN Co’s ability to achieve the 3.5 per cent growth in average revenue per user target set by the Coalition in its April 2013 broadband policy.

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Reply #254 - Dec 4th, 2013 at 4:32pm
 
Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 2:52pm:
Cliff48 wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 2:32pm:
Its ok, Longwanker will provide his consultancy services to show how NBNco will be able to get 100mbps over his tin cans and string technology.


It's just been proven that their fttn solution will never offer this speed in Australia.

As we know - the copper is too degraded, is not in pairs and won't provide anywhere near this speed.

http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/nbn-fibre-upgrade-essential-20131204-hv4ba.html

NBN Co’s long-term profitability will be restricted if the Coalition’s proposed mix of cable, copper and fibre networks is not replaced with a full fibre network in coming years, government briefings reveal.

A draft confidential NBN Co report, prepared for the incoming government during the caretaker period and obtained by Fairfax Media, warned that it was "essential" for the Coalition to factor the cost of upgrading to a fibre-to-the-premises network into its financial forecasts.

The absence of high-capacity services on a fibre-to-the-node network would compromise NBN Co’s ability to achieve the 3.5 per cent growth in average revenue per user target set by the Coalition in its April 2013 broadband policy.

Do it once, do it right!


the current NBN is way, way behind on its schedule and over budget.  There comes a time in the real world when you have to choose between the gold-plated delivery and delivery at all.  FTTN is the only model that will actually get delivered before 2030.  NBN Corp is massively behind and getting worse.

and the revenue argument is beyond pitiful.  NBN is a monopoly.  it can charge the same for 12Mbps as it does for 100Mbps.  who is going to stop them?
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