longweekend58 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 4:32pm:


They can charge what they like, but who is going pay NBNco for a service that is no better than they are already receiving.  12mbps (line/sync) is what most people are already receiving.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:
Do you honestly believe that denying the fact that I've provided evidence and you haven't will change anything? Of course not, you don't do anything honestly. You're just trying to distract again.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:
Not abuse, just the facts. The whining is not mine. You're the one with no evidence.

By the way, thanks for keeping this topic alive.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 7:40pm:
When will you learn that your habits* aren't typical?

* greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 2:01pm:

FTTN would need to be rolled out quickly and get huge number activations or will need much more $$$ from govt.

http://www.zdnet.com/fttn-nbn-needs-customers-more-than-coverage-nbn-co-report-7...

Quote:


Comments are gold!

And

FTTP customers will have to pay more to keep stupid FTTN alive:

http://www.zdnet.com/fttn-cvc-revenue-shortfall-could-keep-fttp-prices-high-nbn-...
And

Childish opposition by Piss&Moan and Turncoat meant business was chary of investing in fast broadband products and services:
http://www.zdnet.com/au/nbn-politics-hindered-business-investment-in-broadband-7...

Hopefully the last 3 dreadful polls for the shambles will lead to some rethinking. By actually acting in the national interest, forgetting the drive to destroy all the reforms Gillard introduced, forgetting about stupid FTTN which just won’t work here, the shambles might seem less a shambles and actually improve in the polls.

NBN Co has not tested fibre to the node

Lucy Battersby

NBN Co has not conducted any trials of the alternative national broadband network since the change of government, executives told a senate select committee on Wednesday morning.

Nor has NBN Co received detailed information from Telstra about its own fibre-to-the-node trial or the condition of its copper network, despite the fibre-to-the-node model relying on copper to deliver broadband to premises.

NBN Co and Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull are expected to release a review of NBN Co on Thursday morning, including audits of the company’s financial history and strategy.

At a four-hour hearing on Wednesday morning four NBN Co witnesses were questioned by the Senate Select Committee overseeing the NBN project.
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NBN Co’s chief operating officer, Greg Adcock, said fibre-to-the-node trials were "under discussion", but had not started. The trials would look at how much of Telstra’s copper would need to be remediated and how a rollout would occur.

"The trial is going to have a look at a number issues and one will be to help develop the assumption set under which the copper network will be characterised," Mr Adcock told the committee.

The committee was chaired by former Communications Minister, Stephen Conroy, who dominated the questioning, referred to documents that were not publicly available, and often pointed fingers at witnesses. Senator Conroy established NBN Co while in government to deliver broadband to more than 90 per cent of Australian premises using a fibre-to-the-premises model. However, the new government come into office with plans to alter this rollout so most premises would receive a broadband upgrade on their existing copper connection rather than a new fibre optic connection.

NBN Co’s head of corporate and commercial Kevin Brown, chief marketing officer Kieran Cooney, and chief technology officer Gary McLaren also appeared before the committee. However, head of strategy and transformation at NBN Co, JB Rousselot, and chief financial officer Robin Payne were not present because they were finalising the strategic review, despite being ordered to attend by the Senate.

NBN Co confirmed its board reviewed and approved the draft strategic review document before it was delivered to Mr Turnbull’s office on December 2.

"There was feedback [from the Minister’s office] on quite a substantive document, and so there is a lot of issues that you have to clarify in terms of calculations, logic etc. But there has been a subsequent board meeting of NBN Co this week to further go over the document. And as a consequence of that there is some additional work, as happens with these documents," Mr Brown said.

Meanwhile, general manager of the competition watchdog’s communications branch, Michael Cosgrave, confirmed it would have to review the regulations surrounding the NBN if the model changed substantially.

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission was on the cusp of finalising NBN Co’s regulatory arrangements following two years of consultations.

"If there was going to be substantial FTTN rollout there would be a need for changes and subsequent approval process for a revised migration plan," Mr Cosgrave said.

And the Department of Communications confirmed it had received "spatial representations of all broadband networks" in Australia from telcos as part of its inquiry into broadband availability and quality.  It had also received 'DSL port availability' information from Telstra Wholesale, which indicates how many households could buy ADSL from Telstra's competitors in the future.

"This is not a house by house engineering analysis. The intent is to identify under served areas in order to inform the prioritsation of the completion of the [NBN] roll out," the departmental secretary Drew Clarke told the committee.

"We are using the information to characterise broadband available and quality, area by area."

http://www.zdnet.com/unknown-quality-telstra-copper-4-6x-costlier-than-fttp-nbn-co-7000024200/

Of all the revelations to emerge from the leaking of NBN Co's confidential assessment of the Coalition's fibre-to-the-node (FttN) based alternative national broadband network (NBN) policy, one of the most problematic for the new government is the warning that any future NBN should avoid taking ownership of Telstra's copper access network (CAN) and the “significant network remediation” it requires.

The warning – prepared by NBN Co to form part of the Department of Communications' Incoming Government Brief ('blue book') for now communications minister Malcolm Turnbull – lays bare the massive risk that would accompany any decision by the government to renegotiate its $11 billion contract with Telstra so that the government would take over ownership or control of the network.

While it readily agreed that the VDSL2 technology proposed for use on the Coalition's NBN is “proven and commercially available today”, NBN Co warned that the level of remediation required – both of the problematic presence of asbestos, and of a copper network that has been called “dilapidated” and an “absolute disgrace” – “is expected to be significant but cannot be accurately determined until NBN Co gains access to Telstra's copper plant records and commences VDSL2 trials.”

Some such trials were recently conducted – in laboratory settings, not in the real world – with some success by NBN Co.

You don't say.

# wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 7:38pm:


you HAVENT provided any evidence you nonsensical clown.  and if you had, it would be trivial to repeat it yet you have repeatedly failed to do so.  because you can provide NO EVIDENCE

# wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 6:36pm:



"If we build it, they will come"

Guys, that is a sci-fi movie line, not business truth.