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Re: NBN progress?
Reply #60 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 1:57pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 3:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 3:00pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 17^th, 2013 at 12:15pm:

What's the current cost of the NBN? $60 Billion dollars?

Ok 250,000 people signed the petition.

If each of you people that signed the petition donate $250,000 towards the establishment cost of the NBN there'd be no need to flay us poor taxpayers.

Do YOU have a spare 250 Grand?????

Tongue

Actually I got a better idea.Not lowering the company tax rate and increasing it to what we all pay. Reduce the numerous and outlandish number of tax deductions they give to business. Make companies and business pay a minimum amount of tax no matter how many deductions they claim and bring back the original resources tax So that you blokes stop flaying the poor taxpayer and we can get a decent NBN for the benefit of all not JUST YOU.

yeah that will only cost about 2 million jobs and devastate the economy. you should go work for Mugabe.

hahahah - quite true longie.

sparatacus - tax is payable on net profit.

Hehehehe, see all the small businesspeople come out of their hole when you threaten their handouts. Ahh you hate socialism but don't you put your hand out expecting the community to carry you because you cant compete. Because you've been made lazy because your have become dependent on government handouts. Time you got off the socialist tit boys and start paying your way. We have to and we feel better for it (and you can too, after the initial shock of having to earn a real living). There's something truly honorable about being a PAYE tax payer, the real creators of jobs and wealth in this country. You don't believe me. You need to see what this proud capitalist says about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCvf8E7V1g

Ohh but don't you free thinkers in our great democracy ever look at something that might test the establishment's view of the world

the PAYE tax pay is by definition an EMPLOYEE who again does not create jobs. I don't think Ive ever heard anyone stupid enough to claim that business doesn't create jobs.

Are you after SOB's 'stupid' title?

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Reply #62 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 2:00pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 1:58pm:

# wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 11:49am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

... the FTTN is being implemented because it is the BEST solution taking into account ALL THE FACTORS and this time, including cost as one of them.

None of which you can substantiate.

the FTTN will have a CBA which is more than the FTTH did.

Hi Longy,
will that cost benefit analysis allow for old corroded copper
& the heavy maintenance required?

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Reply #63 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 2:17pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 2:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 1:58pm:

# wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 11:49am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

... the FTTN is being implemented because it is the BEST solution taking into account ALL THE FACTORS and this time, including cost as one of them.

None of which you can substantiate.

the FTTN will have a CBA which is more than the FTTH did.

Hi Longy,
will that cost benefit analysis allow for old corroded copper
& the heavy maintenance required?

do you possess the capacity to think? are you unaware that the copper network is already maintained and upgraded??? did it even occur to you that the entire phone network and the entire internet network already runs on this???

a lot brighter people than you have actually thought this thru - unlike Rudd who came up with the NBN literally on a plane flight with Conroy.

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Reply #64 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 3:48pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 2:17pm:

do you possess the capacity to think?

THis is the pot calling the kettle black. I doubt you have had an original thought in a very long time buggaluggs. Just your usual parroting of party lines.

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are you unaware that the copper network is already maintained and upgraded??? did it even occur to you that the entire phone network and the entire internet network already runs on this???

See, you have to stop being wrong.

http://www.pinterest.com/turbojv/fttn-rusting-copper-network/

The copper network is already at its use by date. There is a limited life span on these things and we are pretty much at it now. Attempting to prolong the inevitable is just going to be more expensive in the long run.

Do you understand that? The copper is degrading to a point where its barely carrying the phone network. There are places where you cant get internet or phone services when it rains.

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a lot brighter people than you have actually thought this thru - unlike Rudd who came up with the NBN literally on a plane flight with Conroy.

So why is it that all the industry experts (barring your darling Malcolm) think that the FTTH is the better idea? Why is coming up with ideas on a plane inherently bad? Seems like a good chance to chew some ideas over. Is that a pathetic attempt to make it seem like the NBN was another policy developed on the run? Thats getting a bit sad.

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Reply #66 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 5:51pm

donincognito wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 3:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 2:17pm:

do you possess the capacity to think?

THis is the pot calling the kettle black. I doubt you have had an original thought in a very long time buggaluggs. Just your usual parroting of party lines.

Quote:

are you unaware that the copper network is already maintained and upgraded??? did it even occur to you that the entire phone network and the entire internet network already runs on this???

See, you have to stop being wrong.

http://www.pinterest.com/turbojv/fttn-rusting-copper-network/

The copper network is already at its use by date. There is a limited life span on these things and we are pretty much at it now. Attempting to prolong the inevitable is just going to be more expensive in the long run.

Do you understand that? The copper is degrading to a point where its barely carrying the phone network. There are places where you cant get internet or phone services when it rains.

Quote:

a lot brighter people than you have actually thought this thru - unlike Rudd who came up with the NBN literally on a plane flight with Conroy.

So why is it that all the industry experts (barring your darling Malcolm) think that the FTTH is the better idea? Why is coming up with ideas on a plane inherently bad? Seems like a good chance to chew some ideas over. Is that a pathetic attempt to make it seem like the NBN was another policy developed on the run? Thats getting a bit sad.

pinterest.com??? that's your source????

Grin

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Reply #67 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 5:52pm

# wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 5:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 1:58pm:

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the FTTN will have a CBA ...

Would that be an honest CBA or a political CBA?

YOU will never know becaue you have predetermined that it will be the latter. But I do love how you claim the NBN had one because some report was done in 1994...

you are a first rate clown.

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Reply #68 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 5:59pm

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Quote:

are you unaware that the copper network is already maintained and upgraded??? did it even occur to you that the entire phone network and the entire internet network already runs on this???

See, you have to stop being wrong.

http://www.pinterest.com/turbojv/fttn-rusting-copper-network/

The copper network is already at its use by date. There is a limited life span on these things and we are pretty much at it now. Attempting to prolong the inevitable is just going to be more expensive in the long run.

Do you understand that? The copper is degrading to a point where its barely carrying the phone network. There are places where you cant get internet or phone services when it rains.

Longweekend hadn't even thought about the old copper wires.

That's a good link - have a look at the pics Longy. Shocked

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Reply #69 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 6:06pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 5:59pm:

Quote:

Quote:

are you unaware that the copper network is already maintained and upgraded??? did it even occur to you that the entire phone network and the entire internet network already runs on this???

See, you have to stop being wrong.

http://www.pinterest.com/turbojv/fttn-rusting-copper-network/

The copper network is already at its use by date. There is a limited life span on these things and we are pretty much at it now. Attempting to prolong the inevitable is just going to be more expensive in the long run.

Do you understand that? The copper is degrading to a point where its barely carrying the phone network. There are places where you cant get internet or phone services when it rains.

Longweekend hadn't even thought about the old copper wires.

That's a good link - have a look at the pics Longy. Shocked

pinterest and youtube... your source of choice and you wonder why so many laugh at you.

I defy you to answer this question (on topic). What was the original NBN plane going to do about copper wires over the next 20 years while it finishes its rollout. and don't pretend the NBN would have been out soon. It is massively behind schedule and the nearest estimate is circac 2030.

so can you answer ina coherent manner. I vote NO

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Reply #70 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 6:10pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 6:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 5:59pm:

Quote:

Quote:

are you unaware that the copper network is already maintained and upgraded??? did it even occur to you that the entire phone network and the entire internet network already runs on this???

See, you have to stop being wrong.

http://www.pinterest.com/turbojv/fttn-rusting-copper-network/

The copper network is already at its use by date. There is a limited life span on these things and we are pretty much at it now. Attempting to prolong the inevitable is just going to be more expensive in the long run.

Do you understand that? The copper is degrading to a point where its barely carrying the phone network. There are places where you cant get internet or phone services when it rains.

Longweekend hadn't even thought about the old copper wires.

That's a good link - have a look at the pics Longy. Shocked

pinterest and youtube... your source of choice and you wonder why so many laugh at you.

I defy you to answer this question (on topic). What was the original NBN plane going to do about copper wires over the next 20 years while it finishes its rollout. and don't pretend the NBN would have been out soon. It is massively behind schedule and the nearest estimate is circac 2030.

so can you answer ina coherent manner. I vote NO

Yes - there have been delays.
Could that be caused by not enough people being employed to install it?

We have 800,000 unemployed - surely some of them could be trained to help on the NBN rollout?

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Reply #71 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 6:27pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 6:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 6:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 5:59pm:

Quote:

Quote:

are you unaware that the copper network is already maintained and upgraded??? did it even occur to you that the entire phone network and the entire internet network already runs on this???

See, you have to stop being wrong.

http://www.pinterest.com/turbojv/fttn-rusting-copper-network/

The copper network is already at its use by date. There is a limited life span on these things and we are pretty much at it now. Attempting to prolong the inevitable is just going to be more expensive in the long run.

Do you understand that? The copper is degrading to a point where its barely carrying the phone network. There are places where you cant get internet or phone services when it rains.

Longweekend hadn't even thought about the old copper wires.

That's a good link - have a look at the pics Longy. Shocked

pinterest and youtube... your source of choice and you wonder why so many laugh at you.

I defy you to answer this question (on topic). What was the original NBN plane going to do about copper wires over the next 20 years while it finishes its rollout. and don't pretend the NBN would have been out soon. It is massively behind schedule and the nearest estimate is circac 2030.

so can you answer ina coherent manner. I vote NO

Yes - there have been delays.
Could that be caused by not enough people being employed to install it?

We have 800,000 unemployed - surely some of them could be trained to help on the NBN rollout?

and as expected, NO was the correct vote.

you are a simpleton booby.

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Reply #73 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 7:16pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 1:57pm:

the PAYE tax pay is by definition an EMPLOYEE who again does not create jobs. I don't think Ive ever heard anyone stupid enough to claim that business doesn't create jobs.

Are you after SOB's 'stupid' title?

That's because you didn"t watch the video silly. How are you going to improve your mind if you don't expose it to new and challenging ideas. Watch the video. Dont worry, it wont kill you. The person speaking is a millionaire and proud capitalist who chose to share his insights with TED. Here. I posted the video again for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCvf8E7V1g

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Reply #74 - Sep 18^th, 2013 at 7:41pm

[Sigh] Feeble minds, I've heard, need their answers repeated. I do despair, however, of longweekend58's capacity to comprehend.
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 2:17pm:

... are you unaware that the copper network is already maintained and upgraded???

Has it occurred to you that it isn't?
# wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 4:08pm:

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Worst of the worst: Photos of Australia’s copper network
When good copper cable goes bad
Copper network in shocking state

Copper good for 100 years, says Thodey Quote:

Now, we’re absolutely sure that Thodey’s comments will be met with howls of derision from many quarters. After all, there are plenty out there on broadband connections which suffer poor quality precisely because of poor copper lines. There are even those (such as your writer) who tend to suffer issues with their broadband connection when it rains.

No pristine photos: Telstra rejects copper challenge Quote:

The nation’s largest telco Telstra has declined a challenge to provide photos highlighting good examples of the best-maintained infrastructure in its national copper telecommunications network, following the publication several weeks ago of a “worst of the worst” gallery of photos of the network.

Because they couldn't, perhaps?

New technology leaves Telstra in the copper age Quote:

Warren, group manager, regulatory strategy, told the committee: "I think it is right to suggest that ADSL is an interim technology. It is probably the last sweating, if you like, of the old copper network assets. In copper years, if you like, we are at a sort of transition - we are at five minutes to midnight."

# wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 9:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 4:20pm:

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so no consideration given to simple maintenance and replacement?

What evidence do you have that necessary maintenance has been carried out? Do you think that copper lasts forever? Given that copper is obsolete, does it make sense to replace degraded copper with the same obsolete technology?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 4:20pm:

bottom line is that the copper network is NOT in bad condition

What evidence do you have to substantiate that assertion? Here's what the people on the job say: Quote:

Unions have told the ABC that Telstra's copper network is in a state of disrepair, with workers at the coalface of the infrastructure using plastic bags to protect cables from water.

...

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 2:17pm:

did it even occur to you that the entire phone network and the entire internet network already runs on this???

You assert that there's nothing in the network but copper? Substantiation of that, I'd be interested to see.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 2:17pm:

a lot brighter people than you have actually thought this thru

Name them. Is FTTN a technical decision or a political one?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2013 at 2:17pm:

- unlike Rudd who came up with the NBN literally on a plane flight with Conroy.

# wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 8:37pm:

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Rudd went to the 2007 election with a fibre to the node plan. At the time, the Coalition branded it "fraudband". Unfortunately, the plan relied on access to Telstra's monopoly customer access network. Then Telstra CEO, Sol Trujillo, played the ultimate obstructionist.

Trujillo was thinking in American. Rudd did what no US President would or could: he decided to build over Telstra's monopoly. Most of the cost of building a network lies in getting machines and workers to the job. It made no sense to duplicate the already obsolete copper network, so he went for fibre to the premises.

Under the circumstances, what's your problem?

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