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Reply #15 - Sep 21^st, 2013 at 2:27pm

Ajax wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:58am:

The frequency of the altimeters on satellites cannot be anymore accurate than about 100mm.

Ajax wrote on Sep 21^st, 2013 at 2:15pm:

But hold on a minute if satellite frequencies can only measure down to 20mm how could it detect 7mm drop in the ocean............????

Ajax, You have to be consistent when you tell lies. You need to be able to remember what you said before, or as Mark Twain said:

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“If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.”

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Reply #16 - Sep 21^st, 2013 at 2:42pm

Truth is Soon said around 100mm.

Then when I look up other references they said down to about 20mm.

So now i'm using the most recent data.

not lying just getting an education.

So are you going to answer the question....???

If satellites can only measure down to 20mm how did they measure the 7mm drop in 2011.....?????

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Re: Time for climate change fix running out, IEA warns
Reply #17 - Sep 21^st, 2013 at 2:46pm

Ajax wrote on Sep 21^st, 2013 at 2:42pm:

If satellites can only measure down to 20mm how did they measure the 7mm drop in 2011.....?????

All satellites are not the same. Poseidon 3 is a high accuracy altimeter. I already posted the data from the manufacturer, but you chose to ignore it.

Do you understand the difference between precision and accuracy?

If you really want to self educate, the bottom line for estimating the annual mean sea level rise is :

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When the entire record is assembled, the average rate of sea level rise from 1993–2009 is 3.4 ± 0.4 mm/year. There is considerable interannual variation due to ENSO-related processes, which include the period of lower sea level rise over the last three years of the time series during the recent La Nina event.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01490419.2010.491031#tabModule

The precision is predictably higher than the accuracy.

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Re: Time for climate change fix running out, IEA warns
Reply #18 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 1:35pm

Ajax wrote on Sep 20^th, 2013 at 2:42pm:

More bullsh!t...........!!!!!!

In 2005 they said that the arctic would be ice free by 2013.

If we don't take action in the next five years.

Ross Garnaut said it would never rain in Australia again....!!

And then we had the years 2011 & 2012.

Polar bears will soon be extinct, yet their numbers have grown from 25000 to 32000 in the last 10 years or so.

That's why we don't hear about polar bears anymore....???

BTW that photo.......FFS....???

CO2 is colorless.....you cannot see it coming out of the stack....????

That looks like (steam) water vapour from boilers.

Still trying to scare everyone sh!tless aren't you......????

You do realize that the article, that started this thread, was reputedly derived for comments by the IEA, which could not possibly be considered as a natural ally of the IPCC???

The IEA head honcho's following comments are of interest, at least to some? -

"Birol said those need to be cut and instead a price needs to be levied on carbon.

Only when "dirty" fuels become more expensive, he said, will governments follow through on their commitments to increase energy efficiency."

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Reply #19 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 2:57pm

perceptions_now wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

You do realize that the article, that started this thread, was reputedly derived for comments by the IEA, which could not possibly be considered as a natural ally of the IPCC???

The IEA head honcho's following comments are of interest, at least to some? -

"Birol said those need to be cut and instead a price needs to be levied on carbon.

Only when "dirty" fuels become more expensive, he said, will governments follow through on their commitments to increase energy efficiency."

Are you sure about that....??????

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The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was established by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) and the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) in 1988. Its main objective was to assess scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant to the understanding of human induced climate change, potential impacts of climate change and options for mitigation and adaptation. The IPCC has completed four assessment reports, developed methodology guidelines for national greenhouse gas inventories, special reports and technical papers. For more information on the IPCC, its activities and publications, please see the IPCC homepage.

The IPCC National Greenhouse Gas Inventories Programme was managed from 1991 by the IPCC WG I in close collaboration with the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) and the International Energy Agency (IEA) until its transfer to the IPCC's Task Force on National Greenhouse Gas Inventories (TFI) based in Japan in 1999.

http://www.ipcc-nggip.iges.or.jp/

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Reply #21 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 3:27pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 3:20pm:

Ajax wrote on Sep 20^th, 2013 at 2:42pm:

Still trying to scare everyone sh!tless aren't you......????

It's far easier to control a frightened population.

Those with weak minds succumb to the fearmongering quite quickly.

Nice one..... I like.... Cool

We're even being told how they operate......!!!

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"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
- David Rockefeller

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years... It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
- David Rockefeller, Bilderberg Meeting, June 1991 Baden, Germany

“Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
- David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 405

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Re: Time for climate change fix running out, IEA warns
Reply #22 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 6:24pm

muso wrote on Sep 21^st, 2013 at 2:16pm:

Ajax wrote on Sep 21^st, 2013 at 1:54pm:

Of course it is silly, would I post nonsense.... Kiss

You do.

So, muso o dearest of the dearest, Huh

, is the statement
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And one third of ALL that's ALL manmade CO2 emissions have gone up into the atmosphere since 1998.

" actually true or untrue?

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Bobby. Moderator Online Australian Politics Posts: 105556 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Time for climate change fix running out, IEA warns Reply #23 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 6:30pm # wrote on Sep 20^th, 2013 at 8:17pm: Ajax wrote on Sep 20^th, 2013 at 2:42pm: More bullsh!t...........!!!!!! ... Still trying to scare everyone sh!tless aren't you......???? The greatest fool knows no fear. What a clever cartoon.
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Reply #24 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 6:34pm

I wish someone would make a cartoon, where climate change happened despite cutting out all c02 and the children ask why they wasted their time preventing the inevitable and why all of the people in poverty had to suffer as a result of taxes etc.

Would greatly sum up the skeptics point of view. Then you could have both cartoons side by side at the start of a debate so everyone knows where everyone's coming from instead of the use of arbitrary labels.

Just saying is all....

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Re: Time for climate change fix running out, IEA warns
Reply #25 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:35pm

Vuk11 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 6:34pm:

I wish someone would make a cartoon, where climate change happened despite cutting out all c02 and the children ask why they wasted their time preventing the inevitable and why all of the people in poverty had to suffer as a result of taxes etc.

Would greatly sum up the skeptics point of view. Then you could have both cartoons side by side at the start of a debate so everyone knows where everyone's coming from instead of the use of arbitrary labels.

Just saying is all....

It's a question of semantics, VUK. Some climate change is as a result of natural drivers and has been throughout history. However in the past 50 or 60 years, the dominant driver that has emerged has been CO2 from fossil fuel emissions.

Try to keep an open mind. I don't think you need to try to deceive using semantics.

The graph should convince you that in terms of CO2 emissions, I don't think were in Kansas any more.

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Re: Time for climate change fix running out, IEA warns
Reply #26 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:48pm

muso wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:35pm:

Some climate change is as a result of natural drivers and has been throughout history. However in the past 50 or 60 years, the dominant driver that has emerged has been appears to be CO2 from fossil fuel emissions, but that is merely a theory: nobody is certain. It might be true, it might not. Not enough evidence exists to support the AGW theory at the moment.

Fixed.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Time for climate change fix running out, IEA warns Reply #27 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 8:01pm It's about as certain as you can possibly get.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 138026 Gender:	Re: Time for climate change fix running out, IEA warns Reply #28 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 8:03pm muso wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 8:01pm: It's about as certain as you can possibly get. Simple question, that requires no more than a 'yes' or 'no' answer: is there any possibility at all that AGW may not be happening?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 138026 Gender:	Re: Time for climate change fix running out, IEA warns Reply #29 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 9:02pm 'yes', or 'no'? Surely it's not that hard.
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