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Re: Time for climate change fix running out, IEA warns
Reply #45 - Sep 27^th, 2013 at 9:41am

perceptions_now wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 6:00pm:

The IEA has been around since the "Oil Crisis of the early 1970's" and its bias is towards the "BIG ENERGY CONSUMERS/PRODUCERS & OLD ENERGY (FOSSIL FUELS)!

The IPCC has been around since the late 1980's and its bias is to "protect the climate against the human impacts of CO2, which are largely derived from Fossil Fuels"!

And, because the IPCC had the IEA manage one of its Energy progams for a few years, ending in 1999, you think that the IEA would agree with the IPCC, to the detriment of its natural constituency, in BIG Energy Consumers & Producers???

Well, all I can say is, I know where the IPCC Bias is, I know where the IEA's bias is and I'm pretty sure I know where your Bias is pointing to!
And frankly wherever your Bias may be coming from, your Logic is a bit Batty!

Their origins are as you say, but right now this minute...!!!

Big oil is on your side, not because they want to protect the world from anthropogenic CO2 emissions....!!!!

They want to be a part of the carbon derivatives market as most other corporations.....!!

Big oil is on your side.......................!!!!!

Show me otherwise in TODAY's world..............????????

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Re: Time for climate change fix running out, IEA warns
Reply #46 - Sep 27^th, 2013 at 11:10am

Ajax wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 9:41am:

perceptions_now wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 6:00pm:

The IEA has been around since the "Oil Crisis of the early 1970's" and its bias is towards the "BIG ENERGY CONSUMERS/PRODUCERS & OLD ENERGY (FOSSIL FUELS)!

The IPCC has been around since the late 1980's and its bias is to "protect the climate against the human impacts of CO2, which are largely derived from Fossil Fuels"!

And, because the IPCC had the IEA manage one of its Energy progams for a few years, ending in 1999, you think that the IEA would agree with the IPCC, to the detriment of its natural constituency, in BIG Energy Consumers & Producers???

Well, all I can say is, I know where the IPCC Bias is, I know where the IEA's bias is and I'm pretty sure I know where your Bias is pointing to!
And frankly wherever your Bias may be coming from, your Logic is a bit Batty!

Their origins are as you say, but right now this minute...!!!

Big oil is on your side,

not because they want to protect the world from anthropogenic CO2 emissions....!!!!

They want to be a part of the carbon derivatives market as most other corporations.....!!

Big oil is on your side

.......................!!!!!

Show me otherwise in TODAY's world..............????????

BIG Oil and the other Fossil Fuels,are on the side of BIG Oil, Coal, Gas etc!!!

The IPCC is NOT on the side of BIG Oil, because BIG Oil and the other Fossil Fuels, are where a large % of the CO2 impacting Climate Change, comes from!

BIG Oil & the IPCC are at opposing ends of the spectrum and as I have already said, if you think otherwise, then your logic is Batty!

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Re: Time for climate change fix running out, IEA warns
Reply #47 - Sep 27^th, 2013 at 12:39pm

The bottom line is the big oil companies are actually pushing for carbon pricing, they agree with you that action has to be taken on anthropogenic Co2 emissions.

They want carbon taxes and ETS systems on a global scale so the carbon credit derivatives market get into gear and kick off on a global scale.

The big oil companies are on your side when it comes to pricing carbon..........................!!!!!!!!

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Re: Time for climate change fix running out, IEA warns
Reply #48 - Sep 27^th, 2013 at 2:37pm

Ajax wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 12:39pm:

The bottom line is the big oil companies are actually pushing for carbon pricing, they agree with you that action has to be taken on anthropogenic Co2 emissions.

They want carbon taxes and ETS systems on a global scale so the carbon credit derivatives market get into gear and kick off on a global scale.

The big oil companies are on your side when it comes to pricing carbon..........................!!!!!!!!

Why?

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Re: Time for climate change fix running out, IEA warns
Reply #49 - Sep 27^th, 2013 at 2:42pm

perceptions_now wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 2:37pm:

Ajax wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 12:39pm:

The bottom line is the big oil companies are actually pushing for carbon pricing, they agree with you that action has to be taken on anthropogenic Co2 emissions.

They want carbon taxes and ETS systems on a global scale so the carbon credit derivatives market get into gear and kick off on a global scale.

The big oil companies are on your side when it comes to pricing carbon..........................!!!!!!!!

Why?

Because the elite moguls that control big oil and the world want to tax you, me and all the people of the Earth on the air we breath.

For some reason or another they also don't want us to have cheap energy at our finger tips anymore either.....!!!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/29/us-jpmorgan-commodities-sale-analysis-...

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Re: Time for climate change fix running out, IEA warns
Reply #50 - Sep 27^th, 2013 at 3:14pm

Ajax wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 2:42pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 2:37pm:

Ajax wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 12:39pm:

The bottom line is the big oil companies are actually pushing for carbon pricing, they agree with you that action has to be taken on anthropogenic Co2 emissions.

They want carbon taxes and ETS systems on a global scale so the carbon credit derivatives market get into gear and kick off on a global scale.

The big oil companies are on your side when it comes to pricing carbon..........................!!!!!!!!

Why?

Because the elite moguls that control big oil and the world want to tax you, me and all the people of the Earth on the air we breath.

For some reason or another they also don't want us to have cheap energy at our finger tips anymore either.....!!!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/29/us-jpmorgan-commodities-sale-analysis-...

The main reason for the higher Prices, IS CALLED SCARCITY!

That said, why would BIG Oil want to take action on anthropogenic Co2 emissions, IF co2 EMISSIONS ARE NOT A PROBLEM?

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Re: Time for climate change fix running out, IEA warns
Reply #51 - Sep 27^th, 2013 at 3:28pm

perceptions_now wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 3:14pm:

Ajax wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 2:42pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 2:37pm:

Ajax wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 12:39pm:

The bottom line is the big oil companies are actually pushing for carbon pricing, they agree with you that action has to be taken on anthropogenic Co2 emissions.

They want carbon taxes and ETS systems on a global scale so the carbon credit derivatives market get into gear and kick off on a global scale.

The big oil companies are on your side when it comes to pricing carbon..........................!!!!!!!!

Why?

Because the elite moguls that control big oil and the world want to tax you, me and all the people of the Earth on the air we breath.

For some reason or another they also don't want us to have cheap energy at our finger tips anymore either.....!!!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/29/us-jpmorgan-commodities-sale-analysis-...

The main reason for the higher Prices, IS CALLED SCARCITY!

That said, why would BIG Oil want to take action on anthropogenic Co2 emissions, IF co2 EMISSIONS ARE NOT A PROBLEM?

Actually the big fossil fuel and mining corporations have already made a joint public statement that recommends urgent action be taken globally to mitigate the effects of man made global warming.

And that was in 2003.

You may need to keep up with the debate

(Incidentally, humans have extracted about 1% of the total naturally sequestered fossil reserves in the earths crust. The scarcity claim is rediculous. For human to extract 5% of the total fossil fuel reserves will be terminally catastrophic)

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Re: Time for climate change fix running out, IEA warns
Reply #52 - Sep 27^th, 2013 at 4:17pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 3:14pm:

Ajax wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 2:42pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 2:37pm:

Ajax wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 12:39pm:

The bottom line is the big oil companies are actually pushing for carbon pricing, they agree with you that action has to be taken on anthropogenic Co2 emissions.

They want carbon taxes and ETS systems on a global scale so the carbon credit derivatives market get into gear and kick off on a global scale.

The big oil companies are on your side when it comes to pricing carbon..........................!!!!!!!!

Why?

Because the elite moguls that control big oil and the world want to tax you, me and all the people of the Earth on the air we breath.

For some reason or another they also don't want us to have cheap energy at our finger tips anymore either.....!!!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/29/us-jpmorgan-commodities-sale-analysis-...

The main reason for the higher Prices, IS CALLED SCARCITY!

That said, why would BIG Oil want to take action on anthropogenic Co2 emissions, IF co2 EMISSIONS ARE NOT A PROBLEM?

Actually the big fossil fuel and mining corporations have already made a joint public statement that recommends urgent action be taken globally to mitigate the effects of man made global warming.

And that was in 2003.

You may need to keep up with the debate

(

Incidentally, humans have extracted about 1% of the total naturally sequestered fossil reserves in the earths crust. The scarcity claim is rediculous.

For human to extract 5% of the total fossil fuel reserves will be terminally catastrophic)

Really? And, what urgent action/s have they taken?

Really? Even those on "Hopium" in the fossil Fuel camp have said we have probably already used between 33%-50% of all the likely extractable Oil and that, together with "exponential Economic Growth optimists" are the main reasons for Oil Price increases of 1,000% plus, since around the end of the last century.
Supply & Demand, those are the 2 Economic basics!

Oh and Coal & Gas are not far behind!

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Re: Time for climate change fix running out, IEA warns
Reply #53 - Sep 27^th, 2013 at 4:59pm

perceptions_now wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 3:14pm:

, why would BIG Oil want to take action on anthropogenic Co2 emissions, IF co2 EMISSIONS ARE NOT A PROBLEM?

Because the coal industry is Oil and Gases biggest competitor. Coal pumps out a lot more c02 than the natural gas industry, so if they can get prices on c02 it will hurt coal a lot more than it will hurt them.

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Re: Time for climate change fix running out, IEA warns
Reply #55 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 2:02am

Ajax wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 12:39pm:

The bottom line is the big oil companies are actually pushing for carbon pricing, they agree with you that action has to be taken on anthropogenic Co2 emissions.

They want carbon taxes and ETS systems on a global scale so the carbon credit derivatives market get into gear and kick off on a global scale.

The big oil companies are on your side when it comes to pricing carbon..........................!!!!!!!!

You're a joke!!

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Re: Time for climate change fix running out, IEA warns
Reply #56 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 2:04am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 3:14pm:

Ajax wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 2:42pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 2:37pm:

Ajax wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 12:39pm:

The bottom line is the big oil companies are actually pushing for carbon pricing, they agree with you that action has to be taken on anthropogenic Co2 emissions.

They want carbon taxes and ETS systems on a global scale so the carbon credit derivatives market get into gear and kick off on a global scale.

The big oil companies are on your side when it comes to pricing carbon..........................!!!!!!!!

Why?

Because the elite moguls that control big oil and the world want to tax you, me and all the people of the Earth on the air we breath.

For some reason or another they also don't want us to have cheap energy at our finger tips anymore either.....!!!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/29/us-jpmorgan-commodities-sale-analysis-...

The main reason for the higher Prices, IS CALLED SCARCITY!

That said, why would BIG Oil want to take action on anthropogenic Co2 emissions, IF co2 EMISSIONS ARE NOT A PROBLEM?

Actually the big fossil fuel and mining corporations have already made a joint public statement that recommends urgent action be taken globally to mitigate the effects of man made global warming.

And that was in 2003.

You may need to keep up with the debate

(

Incidentally, humans have extracted about 1% of the total naturally sequestered fossil reserves in the earths crust. The scarcity claim is rediculous.

For human to extract 5% of the total fossil fuel reserves will be terminally catastrophic)

I find the words in red interesting: where did you get this from may I ask??? Huh

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Re: Time for climate change fix running out, IEA warns
Reply #57 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 2:06am

Vuk11 wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 4:59pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 3:14pm:

, why would BIG Oil want to take action on anthropogenic Co2 emissions, IF co2 EMISSIONS ARE NOT A PROBLEM?

Because the coal industry is Oil and Gases biggest competitor. Coal pumps out a lot more c02 than the natural gas industry, so if they can get prices on c02 it will hurt coal a lot more than it will hurt them.

Ah, there's problems with this argument!! Wink

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