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Sep 21^st, 2013 at 4:17pm

islam hates women because:
The qur'an unambiguously states that allah is a satanic deceiver of men who will fill the hellfires with men and jinns:
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10.100 : No soul can believe,except by the will of Allah, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand.

32;13 If We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance: but the Word from Me will come true, "I will fill Hell with Jinns and men all together."

18.057 : And who doth more wrong than one who is reminded of the Signs of his Lord, but turns away from them, forgetting the (deeds) which his hands have sent
forth? Verily We have set veils over their hearts lest they should understand this, and over their ears, deafness, if thou callest them to guidance, even then will they never accept guidance.

17.046 : And We put coverings over their hearts (and minds) lest they should understand the Qur'an, and deafness into their ears: when thou dost commemorate thy Lord and Him alone in the Qur'an, they turn on their backs,
fleeing (from the Truth).

45.023 : Then seest thou such a one as takes as his god his own vain desire? Allah has, knowing (him as such), left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart (and understanding), and put a cover on his sight. Who, then, will guide him after Allah (has withdrawn Guidance)? Will ye not then receive admonition?

36.008 : We have put yokes round their necks right up to their chins, so that their heads are forced up (and they cannot see).

36.009 : And We have put a bar in front of them and a bar behind them, and further, We have covered them up; so that they cannot see.

36.010 : The same is it to them whether thou admonish them or thou do not admonish them: they will not believe

4.143 : (They are) distracted in mind even in the midst of it,- being (sincerely) for neither one group nor for another whom Allah causes to go astray,- never wilt thou find for him the way.

6.039 : Those who reject our signs are deaf and dumb,- in the midst of darkness profound: whom Allah willeth, He leaveth to wander: whom He willeth, He placeth on the way that is straight

13.027 : The Unbelievers say: "Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?" Say: "Truly Allah leaveth, to stray, whom He will; But He guideth to Himself those who turn to Him in penitence,-

14.004 : We sent not a messenger except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in order to make (things) clear to them. Now Allah leaves straying those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases: and He is Exalted in power, full of Wisdom.

16.093 : If Allah so willed, He could make you all one people: But He leaves straying whom He pleases, and He guides whom He pleases: but ye shall certainly be called to account for all your actions.

19.083 : Seest thou not that We have set the Evil Ones on against the unbelievers, to incite them with fury?

35.008 : Is he, then, to whom the evil of his conduct is made alluring, so that he looks upon it as good, (equal to one who is rightly guided)? For Allah leaves to stray whom He wills, and guides whom He wills. So let not thy soul go out in (vainly) sighing after them: for Allah knows well all that they do!

39.023: Allah has revealed (from time to time) the most beautiful Message in the form of a Book, consistent with itself, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects): the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the celebration of Allah's praises. Such is the guidance of Allah: He guides therewith whom He pleases, but such as Allah leaves to stray, can have none to guide.

45.023 : Then seest thou such a one as takes as his god his own vain desire? Allah has, knowing (him as such), led him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart (and understanding), and put a cover on his sight. Who, then, will guide him after Allah (has withdrawn Guidance)? Will ye not then receive admonition?

27.004 : As to those who believe not in the Hereafter, We have made their deeds pleasing in their eyes; and so they wander about in distraction.

All of the above verses teach that allah deliberately stops people from understanding, he will mislead them.

The following verse says:
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6.043 : When the suffering reached them from us, why then did they not learn humility? On the contrary their hearts became hardened, and Satan made their (sinful) acts seem alluring to them.

It is very obvious that allah and satan are one and the same (straight out of the qur'an, both mislead people and cause them to sin)

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Reply #1 - Sep 21^st, 2013 at 4:19pm

Now to get to the women in islam:
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Tabari IX:113 “Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur’an.”

Tabari I:280 “Allah said, ‘It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.’ Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid.”

Qur’an 4:11 “Allah directs you in regard of your Children’s (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females…. These are settled portions ordained by Allah.”

Bukhari:V1B22N28 “The Prophet said: ‘I was shown the Hell Fire and the majority of its dwellers were women who are disbelievers or ungrateful.’ When asked what they were ungrateful for, the Prophet answered, ‘All the favors done for them by their husbands.’”

Muslim:B1N142 “‘O womenfolk, you should ask for forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell.’ A wise lady said: Why is it, Allah’s Apostle, that women comprise the bulk of the inhabitants of Hell? The Prophet observed: ‘You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. ]b]You lack common sense, fail in religion and rob the wisdom of the wise[/b].’ Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense? The Prophet replied, ‘Your lack of common sense can be determined from the fact that the evidence of two women is equal to one man. That is a proof.’”

Qur’an 4:43 “Believers, approach not prayers with a mind befogged or intoxicated until you understand what you utter. Nor when you are polluted, until after you have bathed. If you are ill, or on a journey, or come from answering the call of nature, or you have touched a woman, and you find no water, then take for yourselves clean dirt, and rub your faces and hands. Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving.”

Bukhari:V4B55N547 “The Prophet said, ‘But for the Israelis, meat would not decay, and if it were not for Eve, wives would never betray their husbands.’”

Bukhari:V3B48N826 “The Prophet said, ‘Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?’ The women said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind.’”

Ishaq:584 “Tell the men with you who have wives: never trust a woman.”

Ishaq:185 “In hell I saw women hanging by their breasts. They had fathered bastards.”

Qur’an 24:33 “Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life. But if anyone forces them, then after such compulsion, Allah is oft-forgiving.”

Ishaq:469 “The Apostle said, ‘Every wailing woman lies except those who wept for Sa’d.’”

Ishaq:496 “Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.’ So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, ‘Tell the Apostle the truth.’”

O.K. so the qur'an admits that allah / satan chooses who to mislead and cause to sin.

From the above we are told that women are stupid, liars, untrustworthy, deserving of being beaten, they are the majority of people in hell.

So allah/satan has displayed his hatred of women by deliberately misleading them, inducing them to go to hell.

It's easy to see why women are forced to marry old men as child brides, blamed if they get raped, killed in honour killings, disfigured or murdered by muslim male relatives etc.etc.

Hatred of women is part and parcel of islam

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Reply #3 - Sep 21^st, 2013 at 5:14pm

Christianity is just as bad:

A wife is a man’s property: You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor. Exodus 20:17

Daughters can be bought and sold: If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. Exodus 21:7

A raped daughter can be sold to her rapist: 28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. Deuteronomy 22:28-29

Collecting wives and sex slaves is a sign of status: He [Solomon] had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray. 1 Kings 11:3

Used brides deserve death: If, however the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. Deuteronomy 22:20-21.

Women, but only virgins, are to be taken as spoils of war: Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. Numbers 31:17-18

Menstruating women are spiritually unclean: 19 “‘When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening. 20 “‘Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. 21 Anyone who touches her bed will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening. 22 Anyone who touches anything she sits on will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, . . . 30 The priest is to sacrifice one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement for her before the LORD for the uncleanness of her discharge. 31 “‘You must keep the Israelites separate from things that make them unclean, so they will not die in their uncleanness for defiling my dwelling place,[a] which is among them.’” Leviticus 15: 19-31

A woman is twice as unclean after giving birth to girl as to a boy: A woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son will be ceremonially unclean for seven days, just as she is unclean during her monthly period. ‘ 3 On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised. 4 Then the woman must wait thirty-three days to be purified from her bleeding. She must not touch anything sacred or go to the sanctuary until the days of her purification are over. 5 If she gives birth to a daughter, for two weeks the woman will be unclean, as during her period. Then she must wait sixty-six days to be purified from her bleeding. 6 ” ‘When the days of her purification for a son or daughter are over, she is to bring to the priest at the entrance to the tent of meeting a year-old lamb for a burnt offering and a young pigeon or a dove for a sin offering. Leviticus 12: 1-8

A woman’s promise is binding only if her father or husband agrees: 2 When a man makes a vow to the LORD or takes an oath to obligate himself by a pledge, he must not break his word but must do everything he said. 3 “When a young woman still living in her father’s household makes a vow to the LORD or obligates herself by a pledge 4 and her father hears about her vow or pledge but says nothing to her, then all her vows and every pledge by which she obligated herself will stand. 5 But if her father forbids her when he hears about it, none of her vows or the pledges by which she obligated herself will stand; the LORD will release her because her father has forbidden her. . . . . A woman’s vow is meaningless unless approved by her husband or father. But if her husband nullifies them when he hears about them, then none of the vows or pledges that came from her lips will stand. Her husband has nullified them, and the LORD will release her. 13 Her husband may confirm or nullify any vow she makes or any sworn pledge to deny herself. Numbers 30:1-16

Women should be seen not heard: Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 1 Corinthians 14:34

Wives should submit to their husband’s instructions and desires: Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Colossians 3:18
In case you missed that submission thing . . . : Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Ephesians 5:22-24.

More submission – and childbearing as a form of atonement: A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. 1 Timothy 2: 11-15
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Women were created for men: For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. 7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 1 Corinthians 11:2-10

Sleeping with women is dirty: No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as first-fruits to God and the Lamb. Revelation 14:3-4

Perhaps you need, Moses to look at your own religion's record on the topic?

Perhaps you'd care to comment on those biblical quotes and then of course we have such memorable quotes as:

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You [woman] are the devil’s gateway: you are the unsealer of that (forbidden) tree: you are the first deserter of the divine law: you are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God’s image, man. On account of your desert—that is, death—even the Son of God had to die.

Tertullian, c. 160 – c. 225 AD, Christian Theologian

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Woman is more guilty than man, because she was seduced by Satan, and so diverted her husband from obedience to God that she was an instrument of death leading to all perdition. It is necessary that woman recognize this, and that she learn to what she is subjected; and not only against her husband. This is reason enough why today she is placed below and that she bears within her ignominy and shame.

John Calvin, 10 July 1509 – 27 May 1564, Founder of Protestant denomination named in his honour.

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Reply #6 - Sep 21^st, 2013 at 9:53pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 21^st, 2013 at 5:21pm:

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Women were created for men: For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. 7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 1 Corinthians 11:2-10

Sleeping with women is dirty: No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as first-fruits to God and the Lamb. Revelation 14:3-4

Perhaps you need, Moses to look at your own religion's record on the topic?

Perhaps you'd care to comment on those biblical quotes and then of course we have such memorable quotes as:

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You [woman] are the devil’s gateway: you are the unsealer of that (forbidden) tree: you are the first deserter of the divine law: you are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God’s image, man. On account of your desert—that is, death—even the Son of God had to die.

Tertullian, c. 160 – c. 225 AD, Christian Theologian

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Woman is more guilty than man, because she was seduced by Satan, and so diverted her husband from obedience to God that she was an instrument of death leading to all perdition. It is necessary that woman recognize this, and that she learn to what she is subjected; and not only against her husband. This is reason enough why today she is placed below and that she bears within her ignominy and shame.

John Calvin, 10 July 1509 – 27 May 1564, Founder of Protestant denomination named in his honour.

When was the last time you heard a Christian quoting Tertullian or Calvin as a justification?

Never.

Googling is not argument, Brain.

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Reply #7 - Sep 21^st, 2013 at 9:55pm

Brian Ross

Old Testament verses Brian?

The answer to your muslim apologetic post, trying to equate islam with Christianity is simple:
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Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Nice try Brian, but no bananas, it is fairly obvious that : OLD TESTAMENT LAW was done away with over 2000 years ago.

Now to stay on topic, the facts are: according to the qur'an allah/satan is the deceiver of men and causes them to go to hell.

allah/satan has chosen to deceive women in order that they are the majority of people in hell?

Then we have the islamic claims that women are stupid, are liars, are untrustworthy, you can force them into prostitution (because allah/satan is merciful), you can beat them etc.?

No wonder muslim women are subjected to human rights abuses in muslim countries, hatred and scorning of women is enshrined in islamic text.

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Reply #10 - Sep 21^st, 2013 at 10:49pm

Soren wrote on Sep 21^st, 2013 at 9:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 21^st, 2013 at 5:21pm:

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Women were created for men: For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. 7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 1 Corinthians 11:2-10

Sleeping with women is dirty: No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as first-fruits to God and the Lamb. Revelation 14:3-4

Perhaps you need, Moses to look at your own religion's record on the topic?

Perhaps you'd care to comment on those biblical quotes and then of course we have such memorable quotes as:

Quote:

You [woman] are the devil’s gateway: you are the unsealer of that (forbidden) tree: you are the first deserter of the divine law: you are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God’s image, man. On account of your desert—that is, death—even the Son of God had to die.

Tertullian, c. 160 – c. 225 AD, Christian Theologian

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Woman is more guilty than man, because she was seduced by Satan, and so diverted her husband from obedience to God that she was an instrument of death leading to all perdition. It is necessary that woman recognize this, and that she learn to what she is subjected; and not only against her husband. This is reason enough why today she is placed below and that she bears within her ignominy and shame.

John Calvin, 10 July 1509 – 27 May 1564, Founder of Protestant denomination named in his honour.

When was the last time you heard a Christian quoting Tertullian or Calvin as a justification?

So, you are dismissing what the Bible says, what a leading theologian of the early church says and a leading theologian of the Reformation says, Soren?

Appears to me like your views are rather one-eyed. Christian belief about the role of the women is just as sexist as Islamic fundamentalists'... Roll Eyes

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Reply #11 - Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 12:21am

Colossians 3:18
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
19 Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.

Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

The sign at the back - at a feminist protest

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Verily, God is not ashamed to set forth a parable even of a mosquito or so much more when it is bigger (or less when it is smaller) than it. Those who believe know that it is the truth from their Lord; but those who disbelieve say: What doth God wish (to teach) by such a similitude ? He misleadeth many thereby, and He guideth many thereby; and He misleadeth thereby only the rebellious wrongdoers.
- the Quran, al-Baqarah, v.26

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Reply #13 - Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 2:42am

True Colours wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 1:03am:

Verily, God is not ashamed to set forth a parable even of a mosquito or so much more when it is bigger (or less when it is smaller) than it. Those who believe know that it is the truth from their Lord; but those who disbelieve say: What doth God wish (to teach) by such a similitude ? He misleadeth many thereby, and He guideth many thereby; and He misleadeth thereby only the rebellious wrongdoers.
- the Quran, al-Baqarah, v.26

True_Colours,

Problem is, that in ISLAM, the words, 'disbelieve', and 'wrongdoer', are 'culturally' synonymous.

And you and yours, do not have the wit to recognise that truth, NOR, to recognise, that to insist upon the validity of such a view, makes you a mentally incompetent [un-reasoning, and an un-reasonable] human being.

Dictionary;
synonymous = = (a word or phrase) having the same meaning as another word or phrase in the same language.

MOSLEMS = = mentally incompetent, un-reasoning, and un-reasonable, human beings....

e.g.

"I absolutely insist that freedom of expression must be banned!
HONEST!!!"

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Brian Ross wrote on Sep 21^st, 2013 at 10:49pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 21^st, 2013 at 9:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 21^st, 2013 at 5:21pm:

[continued]
Women were created for men: For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. 7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 1 Corinthians 11:2-10

Sleeping with women is dirty: No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as first-fruits to God and the Lamb. Revelation 14:3-4

Perhaps you need, Moses to look at your own religion's record on the topic?

Perhaps you'd care to comment on those biblical quotes and then of course we have such memorable quotes as:

Quote:

You [woman] are the devil’s gateway: you are the unsealer of that (forbidden) tree: you are the first deserter of the divine law: you are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God’s image, man. On account of your desert—that is, death—even the Son of God had to die.

Tertullian, c. 160 – c. 225 AD, Christian Theologian

Quote:

Woman is more guilty than man, because she was seduced by Satan, and so diverted her husband from obedience to God that she was an instrument of death leading to all perdition. It is necessary that woman recognize this, and that she learn to what she is subjected; and not only against her husband. This is reason enough why today she is placed below and that she bears within her ignominy and shame.

John Calvin, 10 July 1509 – 27 May 1564, Founder of Protestant denomination named in his honour.

When was the last time you heard a Christian quoting Tertullian or Calvin as a justification?

So, you are dismissing what the Bible says, what a leading theologian of the early church says and a leading theologian of the Reformation says, Soren?

Appears to me like you views are rather one-eyed. Christian belief about the role of the women is just as sexist as Islamic fundamentalists... Roll Eyes

Its actually good these Christians don't follow the bible in every sense of the word.

Its todays daily telegraph domestic violence is up 30% form 5 years and there is 135000 cases this year.

Just imagine what the numbers would be if they followed the bible.

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