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Reply #120 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 6:56am
 
Torpedo wrote on Oct 14th, 2013 at 9:20pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 14th, 2013 at 8:48pm:
Torpedo wrote on Oct 14th, 2013 at 8:46pm:
exactly, so stick to it, and admit, at least that he IS


Do you know what a pedophile is Torp? Seems you don't. Please get a dictionary and look up what it is and then get back to me.

You can call it immoral, depraved etc - but it is not by definition pedophilia.

The definition is: abnormal, immoral, unacceptable, irrational, mere animal desires.  Read some on these too, it might shed some light into who your idol is.. beside just reading pedo def.


If you go through the history of this thread, Baron was determined to push the line that Muhammad was a pedophile because he had sex with Aisha before she went through puberty - that is the more orthodox definition of pedophilia. This line of argument was thoroughly disproven by using the same Sahih (most reliable) hadith where Aisha herself states that she completed puberty while she was still living with her parents, before the Hijra - and therefore before her consummation with Muhammad (this timeline is not in dispute). Baron then assured me that there were other sources that prove his case, but he has been strangely absent from the debate after I pressed him on this.

It just exemplifies the sheer hilarity of you clowns squeeming and squirming to desperately keep this gig going. First its "oh yeah, she was definitely pre-pubescent" - then when that is disproven, its "oh but pedophile only refers to "children" - as if you are completely oblivious to the completely random and subjective definition of "child". Most absurdly-hillarious of all is Soren constantly referring to what the law of today's society states - as if our society has unlocked the biological secret of what magical numerical age people suddenly and miraculously change from "child" to "adult". Poor Soren can't seem to understand that our legal system simply plucked a random number from the air.
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Reply #121 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 8:17am
 
"Poor" Soren is simply pointing out the incompatibility of our Western liberal democratic legal system and your sharia.

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Reply #122 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 9:18am
 
and yet it is not "sharia" to marry and have sex with children. Quite the opposite in fact.
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Reply #123 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 10:41am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 6:56am:
If you go through the history of this thread, Baron was determined to push the line that Muhammad was a pedophile because he had sex with Aisha before she went through puberty - that is the more orthodox definition of pedophilia. This line of argument was thoroughly disproven by using the same Sahih (most reliable) hadith where Aisha herself states that she completed puberty while she was still living with her parents, before the Hijra - and therefore before her consummation with Muhammad (this timeline is not in dispute). Baron then assured me that there were other sources that prove his case, but he has been strangely absent from the debate after I pressed him on this.

It just exemplifies the sheer hilarity of you clowns squeeming and squirming to desperately keep this gig going. First its "oh yeah, she was definitely pre-pubescent" - then when that is disproven,


Muhammad was a pedophile and you have done nothing to refute that, i have even had muslims argue it is not pedophilia if you marry the child in this very forum.

You have one hadith where a 6 year old girl said she reached puberty which you believe and nobody else does, there are other sahih hadith that say she had not reached puberty which you conveniently disregard to justify your pedophile profit.
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The playing with dolls and other similar images is forbidden,but it was allowed for Aisha at the time,as she was a little girl,not yet reached the age of puberty
Islamic source-www.sunnah.com/bukhari/78/157


How many people do you think will believe a 6 year old girl reached puberty when other Islamic sources say she had not?

Aisha had her first menses on the journey to the very first Hajj which puts her age at around 15, why did she have no children with Mo,was Mo impotent in his final years?

I have been on holidays.


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Reply #124 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 11:22am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 9:18am:
and yet it is not "sharia" to marry and have sex with children. Quite the opposite in fact.



Our law says age matters, not biology.  Your law says biology matters, not age.

Because we recognise that sex and marriage are not just about getting your end away.
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Reply #125 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 12:41pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 10:41am:
You have one hadith where a 6 year old girl said she reached puberty which you believe and nobody else does


A sahih hadith that no one believes? Have you been to the same school of dictating-what-others-think that freediver went to? If you recall at the time, you demanded a sahih hadith from sunna.com demonstrating that she had gone through puberty. I did exactly that, but now you do a dummy spit and cry "waah no one believes it". Oh and Baron, where do you think the claims of age 6 and 9 come from? From claims by Aisha herself. Yet strangely you don't go around screaming "how many people will believe a 6 year old" about that?

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 10:41am:
there are other sahih hadith that say she had not reached puberty which you conveniently disregard to justify your pedophile profit.


I disregard them because they do not exist. I have asked for you to produce them, but you continue to come up blank.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 10:41am:
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The playing with dolls and other similar images is forbidden,but it was allowed for Aisha at the time,as she was a little girl,not yet reached the age of puberty
Islamic source-www.sunnah.com/bukhari/78/157


Very good Baron. Your next task is to prove that the time of this was after she had first had sex with Muhammad. You pulled a similar trick before by quoting the hadith about Aisha watching a procession of Egyptian women during her Nikkah. Obviously she hadn't had sex yet then either.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 10:41am:
How many people do you think will believe a 6 year old girl reached puberty when other Islamic sources say she had not?


Not a single Islamic source states that Aisha had not reached puberty at the time she first had sex with Muhammad. Not one. The only source you rely on is the reference to her taking her dolls with her into Muhammad's home - the logic being that playing with dolls is forbidden for post-pubescent girls, therefore Aisha must have been still pre-pubescent when she moved into Muhammad's home. However as I pointed out before, there is no evidence that Aisha actually played with her dolls after moving in, and furthermore, there is nothing in Islamic law that states the mere possession of dolls by post-pubescent girls is disallowed. You are merely proving that Aisha took the dolls she previously played with to store in her new home for sentimental value - which is perfectly fine by islamic law.

That compared to a sahih hadith that clearly states that Aisha went through puberty while she was still living with her parents, and before the Hijra - a time which no one disputes was before her consummation with Muhammad.

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Reply #126 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 3:59pm
 
What will it take for these stupidly naive and idealistic Western women to learn the lesson that beneath whatever civility their Muslim companions might be displaying for convenience's sake, they are generally regarded to be women of loose moral character and fair game for a rape.

Beautiful young woman exits a night club at 2.00am with four male Muslims in tow ... in a Muslim country where women are regarded as little more than bagged possessions.

How utterly f* stupid can you be?

The UK and Australia needs to have a government-funded television campaign to educate the blonde airheads that playing around with Muslim males in a foreign country is not a very good idea.

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It's infuriating how these idiots ignore all the warnings, and all the news bulletins about stranger-danger, and not leaving themselves exposed to the lurking menace of psychotics on dark streets after midnight.

It's almost Darwin Evolutionary what happens to so many of them.

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Reply #127 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 4:17pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 12:41pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 10:41am:
You have one hadith where a 6 year old girl said she reached puberty which you believe and nobody else does


A sahih hadith that no one believes? Have you been to the same school of dictating-what-others-think that freediver went to? If you recall at the time, you demanded a sahih hadith from sunna.com demonstrating that she had gone through puberty. I did exactly that, but now you do a dummy spit and cry "waah no one believes it". Oh and Baron, where do you think the claims of age 6 and 9 come from? From claims by Aisha herself. Yet strangely you don't go around screaming "how many people will believe a 6 year old" about that?
You do not believe the sahih hadeeth on the death penalty for apostasy, why are you selective on what sahih hadeeth you believe in?

If we look at your "sahih" hadith it says-
"I had seen my parents following Islam since i reached the age of puberty"
Her father Abu Bakr was a neighbor of Khadija and Muhammad,Abu Bakr was one of the first converts to Islam if not the first.
Aisha married Mohammad when she was 6, her father was already a muslim at that time.
Do you expect a rational person to believe Aisha hit puberty before she reached 6 years of age?



Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 10:41am:
there are other sahih hadith that say she had not reached puberty which you conveniently disregard to justify your pedophile profit.


I disregard them because they do not exist. I have asked for you to produce them, but you continue to come up blank.
I have produced them are you deaf dumb and blind?

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 10:41am:
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The playing with dolls and other similar images is forbidden,but it was allowed for Aisha at the time,as she was a little girl,not yet reached the age of puberty
Islamic source-www.sunnah.com/bukhari/78/157


Very good Baron. Your next task is to prove that the time of this was after she had first had sex with Muhammad. You pulled a similar trick before by quoting the hadith about Aisha watching a procession of Egyptian women during her Nikkah. Obviously she hadn't had sex yet then either.
According to your nonsense Aisha reached puberty when she was 6 or younger, do you think a rational person will believe that?
If she reached puberty at 6 why was she playing with dolls, does the link to the bukhari hadith say she had not reached puberty?


Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 10:41am:
How many people do you think will believe a 6 year old girl reached puberty when other Islamic sources say she had not?


Not a single Islamic source states that Aisha had not reached puberty at the time she first had sex with Muhammad. Not one. The only source you rely on is the reference to her taking her dolls with her into Muhammad's home - the logic being that playing with dolls is forbidden for post-pubescent girls, therefore Aisha must have been still pre-pubescent when she moved into Muhammad's home. However as I pointed out before, there is no evidence that Aisha actually played with her dolls after moving in, and furthermore, there is nothing in Islamic law that states the mere possession of dolls by post-pubescent girls is disallowed. You are merely proving that Aisha took the dolls she previously played with to store in her new home for sentimental value - which is perfectly fine by islamic law.

That compared to a sahih hadith that clearly states that Aisha went through puberty while she was still living with her parents, and before the Hijra - a time which no one disputes was before her consummation with Muhammad.

Your hadith says Aisha had seen her parents following Islam since she reached puberty, her parents were the first converts to Islam and her father reluctantly allowed Mo to marry her when she was 6, her parents had been following Islam for some time before she was married at age 6.



Mohammad married a 6 yo child who he porked at age 9,Mo had a revelation from allah (perhaps it was a wet dream Grin) that he would marry the child of his neighbor.

You are claiming she reached puberty before her marriage to Mo.. which was before age 6 Grin Grin Grin
What are baby teeth(deciduous teeth) and what age do they fall out Gandalf?
hint-www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deciduous_teeth

Do little girls still have baby teeth at age  9 which is when that dirty old fat dwarf prophet pretender sex offender porked a child?
www.dentistry.about.com/od/dentalcarebyage/f/losebabyteeth.htm
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Reply #128 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 5:04pm
 
lol keep ranting Baron.
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Reply #129 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 8:40pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 6:56am:
If you go through the history of this thread, Baron was determined to push the line that Muhammad was a pedophile because he had sex with Aisha before she went through puberty - that is the more orthodox definition of pedophilia. This line of argument was thoroughly disproven by using the same Sahih (most reliable) hadith where Aisha herself states that she completed puberty while she was still living with her parents, before the Hijra - and therefore before her consummation with Muhammad (this timeline is not in dispute). Baron then assured me that there were other sources that prove his case, but he has been strangely absent from the debate after I pressed him on this.

It just exemplifies the sheer hilarity of you clowns squeeming and squirming to desperately keep this gig going. First its "oh yeah, she was definitely pre-pubescent" - then when that is disproven, its "oh but pedophile only refers to "children" - as if you are completely oblivious to the completely random and subjective definition of "child". Most absurdly-hillarious of all is Soren constantly referring to what the law of today's society states - as if our society has unlocked the biological secret of what magical numerical age people suddenly and miraculously change from "child" to "adult". Poor Soren can't seem to understand that our legal system simply plucked a random number from the air.

I don't really care of the history of this thread
What concerns me, is your, and your fellow muslim's viewpoint regarding purberty/marriage/sex...
Your view, clearly, is that you don't mind having sex with a 9 y.o. if she started the periods.
My view, is that a child remains a child until at least 18! Moreover... the girl, who's reached not puberty, but mature stage, should be able to decide whether she actually agrees to marry or have sex with whoever it is.
And lastly, 9 y.o. then, or now, is just a baby, 14 y.o is a baby...
And you can continue arguing re: definition pedophilia.
Well then, we should modify our vocabulary, just so it makes more sense to people like you, re: wrong and right
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Reply #130 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 8:47pm
 
For a man in his 50s to claim to be a prophet of god while diddling 10 wives plus a 9-to-15 year old is the most ridiculously self-justifying, stark, staring mad smacking sex-crazed priapic wheeze in history - and he gets away with it because his audience is a bunch of lustful brigands who also want justification for their lust.

There were worse Roman emperors, and they too claimed to be living gods -but nobody bought their stupid nonsense. With Islam though, we have a cult of the  Tumescent One.

Justification by god of insatiable sexual appetite is the only new thing Mohammed brought to the world. Otherwise there is nothing new or better that Islam has given the world. It's a comic imitation of Judaism with a divinely-sanctioned hard-on.


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Reply #131 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 9:08pm
 
So, Soren, you obviously wouldn't like Joseph Smith, founder of the Church of the Latter Day Saints.   He practised Polygamy.  Then there was King Salomon who had 700 wives and 300 concubines but he was Jewish.   Grin
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Reply #132 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 9:16pm
 
True Colours wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 1:23am:
Every law made by politicians is good?

If that were true wouldn't all laws be the same in every country, and the age of consent uniform?

Anything goes: five things you can do in Amsterdam that are illegal here


Let's not forget that politicians here have in the past made some crazy laws regarding Aborigines, and not letting poor people vote.

It is still illegal in Victoria to change a lightbulb unless you are an electrician. Grin Grin Grin

But hey, whatever a politician decides must be correct, right Soren? Cheesy Cheesy  Cheesy



Soren you must have a great respect for the carbon tax, seeing as some politicians decided it should be law right? Grin Grin Grin



You are supporting the eternal right of a 50 year old man, with 10 wives, to diddle a little girl.



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Reply #133 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 9:19pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 9:08pm:
So, Soren, you obviously wouldn't like Joseph Smith, founder of the Church of the Latter Day Saints.   He practised Polygamy.  Then there was King Salomon who had 700 wives and 300 concubines but he was Jewish.   Grin



Tres amusant (for you), simple little twit.  No, I am not a Mormon, nor an 800 BC Jewish king.

Do you somehow think that they have any influence of Australian marriage laws? If so, I have overestimated you when I put you down as a mere thick, tendentious, squishy boob.






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Reply #134 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 11:03pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 9:08pm:

So, Soren, you obviously wouldn't like Joseph Smith, founder of the Church of the Latter Day Saints.   He practised Polygamy.  Then there was King Salomon who had 700 wives and 300 concubines but he was Jewish.   Grin



brian,

That King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines, is not a holy sanction, of King Solomon's conduct.



And his behaviour was NOT justified by the law of God.

Deuteronomy 17:14
When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me;
15  Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.
16  But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses: forasmuch as the LORD hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.
17  Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.
18  And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book out of that which is before the priests the Levites:
19  And it shall be with him, and he shall read therein all the days of his life: that he may learn to fear the LORD his God, to keep all the words of this law and these statutes, to do them:
20  That his heart be not lifted up above his brethren, and that he turn not aside from the commandment, to the right hand, or to the left: to the end that he may prolong his days in his kingdom, he, and his children, in the midst of Israel.



God's law specifically prohibited prophets and kings from taking many wives, AND YET, prophets like David and Solomon ignored God's law, and took to themselves many wives.




1 Kings 10:26
And Solomon gathered together chariots and horsemen: and he had a thousand and four hundred chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen, whom he bestowed in the cities for chariots, and with the king at Jerusalem.
27  And the king made silver to be in Jerusalem as stones, and cedars made he to be as the sycomore trees that are in the vale, for abundance.
28  And Solomon had horses brought out of Egypt, and linen yarn: the king's merchants received the linen yarn at a price.
29  And a chariot came up and went out of Egypt for six hundred shekels of silver, and an horse for an hundred and fifty: and so for all the kings of the Hittites, and for the kings of Syria, did they bring them out by their means.

1 Kings 11:1
But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;
2  Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.
And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.
4  For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.
5  For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.
And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father.
7  Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.
8  And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.

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